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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by philosopher1234 on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:55PM (#32729953)
Oh no you can’t post hate on the internet, that’s clearly just as bad as causing someone to commit suicide.
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by cowtools on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:58PM (#32729986)
KF is certainly quite hateful, racist, spiteful, etc. I just don't like when arguments devolve into unplugging each other the internet.
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by sealeck on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:00PM (#32730011)
If you're using the internet to try and threaten and intimidate people then yes, people will try to unplug you from it.
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by cowtools on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:28PM (#32730250)
You could conceivably regard almost any comment as "threatening and intimidating".

On a larger, more serious scale, almost every world power uses the internet to distribute propaganda with the effect of "threatening and intimidating" other nations. There is some degree of "threatening and intimidating" in almost every discussion of politics.

The US Gov might consider Wikileaks to be "threatening and intimidating". Ukraine "threatens and intimidates" Russia and vice versa. Corporations "threaten and intimidate" their workers, while unions "threaten and intimidate" corporations.

I don't think that's a justified basis to atomize the entire internet, but I do think that is a basis for partisan censorship

On a small scale, none of this matters because it is just internet gossip between a few deranged individuals. But this is creating a precedent for internet censorship at large.

Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by sealeck on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:41PM (#32730350)
> You could conceivably regard almost any comment as "threatening and intimidating"

Of course, but I think a threat to kill someone with a bomb is unambiguously threatening and intimidating whereas "I think this person's ideology is terrible and disagree with it" is not.

> The US Gov might consider Wikileaks to be "threatening and intimidating". Ukraine "threatens and intimidates" Russia and vice versa. Corporations "threaten and intimidate" their workers, while unions "threaten and intimidate" corporations.

You're kind of lumping in a bunch of separate concerns - a war between Russia and Ukraine is not the same as a forum of neo Nazis and neither are whistleblowing or labour relations disputes. Could you explain why you think they're related (as I can't personally see how they are)?

Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by _vvaw on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @12:18AM (#32732777)
>Of course, but I think a threat to kill someone with a bomb is unambiguously threatening and intimidating

The "bomb threat" was posted by a recently-created and otherwise inactive account, immediately flagged by multiple users, and deleted by a moderator within minutes. The user who posted it was immediately banned. It was also clearly unserious.

https://archive.ph/damIX

Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by elcamino44 on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:44PM (#32730377)
But if someone comes at you wanting to unplug you from the internet (in every meaningful sense), what possible recourse do you have? These are trolls, they don’t go away just because you ask nicely or try to ignore them.