(a) There is no independent verification of those claims against Keffals

(b) It’s irrelevant — this is about kiwifarms behavior, not Keffals

> There is no independent verification of those claims against Keffals

What would independent verification look like? I browsed the archived thread and it seems like the vast majority of claims have accompanying Twitter and archive links.

> (a) There is no independent verification of those claims against Keffals

There absolutely is. The DIY HRT Directory website is live right now, as are Keffals' tweets and Twitch clips promoting it. The sexual tweets directed at minors are archived on archive.ph, as are Keffals' doxing of the KF owner's mom and Keffal's calls for SWAting and doxing. The "Catboy Ranch" screenshots and Kiwi Farms investigation prompted Keffals to wipe the server. It's impossible to save Discord content on third-party archival services, but tweets between Discord users from that period buttress the allegations.

Got five kids. If any of them were trans, I'd support them connecting with whatever community they could find. Some people were born into the wrong body and most kids know it immediately. The dysphoria can happen early. I'm sure there are some kids that make mistakes and try hormone therapy because they think it will make them feel better. The list of reasons they might do this are long and many are related to abuse or depression.

How about we stop labeling people pedophiles and support people (even kids) finding their truth.

I'd also firmly believe all transgender adults would be _horrified_ by any type of abuse. You're going to find an outlier in there as with any statistic. But like 99.9999% of all transgender adults come from a position of empathy and support. To assume otherwise is you just pushing your idea of morality on other people.

Of course if you simply refuse to believe in the idea that someone could be gay or bi or trans (and be certain of it at a young age), that's an entirely different conversation. Kids know who they are. We're supposed to guide them. Not oppress them.

Just because someone is transgender, doesn't make them a pedophile, which you know damn well was my point.

I'm on mobile but almost every point you made is either a lie or a massive exaggeration.

Transitioning requires a massive amount of support and steps and children are NOT being rushed into irreversible medical procedures. This is a scare mongering tactic of the alt-right and has no bearing on reality.

It's true that transition used to be more strictly paced and psychologically supervised. For children especially, this is no longer true. The governments of Sweden and the United Kingdom have formally investigated and documented the phenomena I described. The same phenomena are now visible across the US. The evidence is ample and verifiable. Here is the UK National Health Service's Cass Review:

https://cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/0...

Some highlights:

>Within the Dutch Approach, children and young people with neurodiversity and/or complex mental health problems are routinely given therapeutic support in advance of, or when considered appropriate, instead of early hormone intervention. Whereas criteria to have accessed therapeutic support prior to starting hormone blocking treatment do not appear to be integral to the current NHS process.

>Evidence on the appropriate management of children and young people with gender incongruence and dysphoria is inconclusive both nationally and internationally.

>If pubertal sex hormones are essential to these brain maturation processes, this raises a secondary question of whether there is a critical time window for the processes to take place, or whether catch up is possible when oestrogen or testosterone is introduced later.

Here's a documentary by the Swedish public broadcaster with English subtitles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJGAoNbHYzk

Evidence of "gender-affirming hysterectomies" performed on US patients as young as 16:

https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Abstract/2017/05001/Hy...

Article which summarizes trans kid desistance research (which got its author, journalist Jesse Singal, a wave of death threats and suicide-baiting DMs from trans activists):

https://www.thecut.com/2016/07/whats-missing-from-the-conver...

Detransitioned 17-year-old girl Chloe Cole testimonies to the California state legislators:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzgohkz22Fg

> Here is the UK National Health Service's Cass Review:

Not NHS. It's not a great sign of accuracy if you're getting this wrong.

And the Cass review calls for an expansion of provision of gender affirming care for children, which is why we're moving from a single clinic to multiple clinics.

The study was commissioned by the NHS and led by Dr. Hilary Cass, past president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/commissioning/spec-services/npc-c...

It shut Tavistock, highlighted diagnostic overshadowing of co-morbind conditions such as abuse, trauma, and autism, found gross evidentiary gaps in the medical arguments for puberty blockers and youth HRT, and recommended the curtailment of medical youth transition. The move to multiple clinics is one part trans activists highlight while ignoring the rest.

The study is an independent report. The Royal Colleges are not part of the NHS.

> It shut Tavistock

All the anti-trans activists think this is some brilliant "gotcha" moment, but they don't appear to know that most trans people hated Tavistock and were calling for services to be removed from Tavi.

Cass isn't doing what anti-trans campaigners wanted, she's doing what trans people want remove services from Tavi, and create a bunch of new centres across England. Access is going to be greatly increased.

Keep spinning it how you like, this is an unambiguous win for trans people and their allies.

Wait, the owner of the site explicitly doesn’t cooperate with law enforcement though?? I first heard of them because of the owner of the site insisted on hosting a video of a hate-based mass shooting against law enforcement requests.

I really doubt your claims here; you lie in your first paragraph.

He seems to explicitly cooperate with US law enforcement[0], what you're referring to is the new zealand government trying to get them not only to take down the chirstchurch shooting video but also give them the IP of everyone that posted it so they can prosecute them. The only jurisdiction that matters to him is the US, so i'd assume that's where the servers and the company is located.

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20220707041302/https://kiwifarms...

another one, seems like there was a git with some transparency stuff, its down unfortunately :https://web.archive.org/web/20220801104812/https://kiwifarms...

update to those reading later, the links don't work for the twitter people decided to take down the archives from the wayback machine...

the same links from archive.md: https://archive.md/c8hXj https://archive.md/cgWAJ

He cooperates with the law in the country he resides and the site is hosted in. He told NZ to fuck off 'cause they had no say in whether or not he was allowed to host the video.

with US law enforcement, for actual criminal activity. null told the new zealand police to get lost when they ordered him to take down the video of the mosque shooting; rightly so.