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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by prvit on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:06AM (#32723880)
How is 4chan worse? They rapidly take down any CSAM and anything that vaguely resembles a raid. Most KF threads wouldn't survive on today's 4chan for even an hour.

This 12 years old comment describes the situation in 2010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1947648 , although neglects to mention that things were this way due to strict moderation on 4chan.

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by flumpcakes on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:11AM (#32723911)
I, personally, have seen much worse on 4chan than I have on Kiwifarms. If I read the Cloudflare blog post and didn't know which site it was referring to I would have put 95% of my money on it being 4chan over Kiwifarms.

I am not an omnipotent arbiter of what is bad or worse, this is my own subjective opinion. I just haven't seen anything on Kiwifarms that would call for such a response. It made it seem like we were hours away from people dying.

I guess as an example though:

> they rapidly take down any CSAM

I haven't seen that posted to Kiwifarms in the first place, regardless if 4chan has a quick response.

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by thinkingemote on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:18AM (#32723956)
I've read that 4chan works proactively with law enforcement, regularly notifying them as soon as possible. They don't have a "wait for a warrant" policy that neutral providers claim, they will eagerly submit and support LEOs. This might be why it has survived so long.

The common idea about the forum is that there is no moderation, but the truth is that the moderation is invisible. (The content is beyond the pale, and I don't support it which used to be needless to say)

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by flumpcakes on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:31AM (#32724095)
I think they probably do. There is another comment below saying the owner/moderator/whatever of Kiwifarms also works with "law enforcement organisations" on anything illegal on the site.

Mass murderers have live-streamed their rampages on Facebook. I'm sure Facebook also work with police.

Other than the horrible nasty comments (which I've seen much worse on Facebook/Twitter/YouTube/social media in greater numbers) I don't see what's so special about Kiwifarms.

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by prvit on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:37AM (#32724153)
Most sites would delete your posts if you post someones SSN and credit report. Yet, I can easily find such posts going back years on Kiwifarms

For example: http://uquusqsaaad66cvub4473csdu4uu7ahxou3zqc35fpw5d4ificedz...

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by flumpcakes on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:49AM (#32724262)
I think this is obviously bad. I believe in Europe is just flatly illegal under GDPR? I would expect this to be illegal everywhere (if it was private information like medical records etc.) but I'm not a lawyer.
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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by cygx on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:42AM (#32724197)
There is another comment below saying the owner/moderator/whatever of Kiwifarms also works with "law enforcement organisations" on anything illegal on the site.

Not ones from New Zealand, though: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-...

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by flumpcakes on Monday September 05, 2022 @10:09AM (#32724466)
Yeah, the guy comes across as a massive [expletive] in that article. It reminds me of the piratebay "F U" emails from decades ago. It seems to me that a lot of Americans or American Companies (and Swedish pirates) ignore other countries' jurisdiction.

Edit: just reading into this and New Zealand apparently wanted to take legal action (up to ten years in prison) against any New Zealand citizen who simply watched the video on Kiwifarms forums? That's astonishing.

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by viridian on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:12PM (#32728094)
This is how I (and I'm sure many others) first heard about kiwifarms, the NZ govt threatening to arrest citizens for even watching footage of the shooting. I was running a little warrant canary meta-service at the time (since the EFF let theirs lapse) and asked Josh Moon if I could implement theirs as a part of my service. Never got a response from him, or it got caught in spam.

Heard about them again when they hosted the twitch source code and revenue leaks, and now a third time with all of the cloudfront stuff. Hosting content like this is always a big gamble, I'm sure Moon knew this was always a possibility.

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by DuskStar on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:34PM (#32727603)
> New Zealand apparently wanted to take legal action (up to ten years in prison) against any New Zealand citizen who simply watched the video on Kiwifarms forums?

Sounds like the owner was right to say "go fuck yourself" then.

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by richbell on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:51PM (#32727798)
> Not ones from New Zealand, though: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-...

While his reply was incredibly edgy and immature, I'm don't think this is a compelling example. The NZ police wanted information on people discussing the shooting after it had already occurred.

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by amadeuspagel on Monday September 05, 2022 @04:17PM (#32728941)
Yeah, not ones from Saudi Arabia either. It's an american website, and in that context working with law enforcement means working with american law enforcement.
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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by delfinom on Monday September 05, 2022 @11:14PM (#32732342)
Yep, I was curious recently and opened KF and 4chan boards. KF is rather tame meanwhile the first page of /pol/ on 4chan was like walking into a KKK convention complete with the hoods and seeing the Third Reich in attendance at their own booth.
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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by not_a_shill on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:41PM (#32728447)
>How is 4chan worse?

/pol/ is far worse from a "hate speech" perspective, but not as nearly as bad when it comes to serial harassment.

From a "people are in imminent danger" perspective I don't see how 4chan isn't worse. Remember "Some of you guys are alright, don't come to school tomorrow" from a few years back? Is there an equivalent to that on KF that I'm not aware of? The people there have given up on life in a completely different way than edgy board 4chan users.

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