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Re:Tesla’s Dojo Microarchitecture by dragontamer on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:53PM (#32719321)
Dojo is rumored 7nm to boot. They'll be competing with a process node disadvantage. TSMC is down to 3nm and 5nm already.

AMD chips like MI250x are 5nm with tensor matrix multiplication units. NVidia Hopper will be like 4nm IIRC?

Re:Tesla’s Dojo Microarchitecture by kjksf on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:28PM (#32719847)
During first AI day Tesla already said that they have plans and ideas for 10x improvements for Dojo v2. And I'm sure one of the improvements is to use 5nm or 3nm process.

They've already been working on this for almost 7 years. This is not some side projects but a serious operation. They have to ship something sometime and they decided to ship this now.

I'm confident that they know about 5nm process and chose 7nm for good reasons.

There will be next version and next process.

Re:Tesla’s Dojo Microarchitecture by sbierwagen on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:19AM (#32721132)
>And I'm sure one of the improvements is to use 5nm or 3nm process.

Implementing a process shrink is not just scaling the masks by the appropriate percentage. It often is a completely different optical train, at a different wavelength, different pellicle, changing the refractive index of the immersion fluid, different multiple patterning. It takes months (years?) of work.

For many applications it's worth it, but it's not at all a slam dunk. The vast majority of ASICs are designed for a particular node and never upgraded. It's the kind of crazy long-term speculative capital investment TSLA might have indulged in when the stock was at $414 a share, but it's nowhere remotely near that today.

They're already engaging in layoffs, today. Why spend the money?

Re:Tesla’s Dojo Microarchitecture by rbanffy on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:54AM (#32721319)
> vast majority of ASICs are designed for a particular node and never upgraded

They are, if the new node is cheap enough to justify the investment in shrinking the design. In most ASICs, being faster won’t make people rip out their embedded electronics for new models.

Re:Tesla’s Dojo Microarchitecture by panick21_ on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:58PM (#32720027)
Node is not everything, cheaper production and larger availability matters.

You both have limited availability of the node and limited availability of the particular chip.

Plus you are paying the margin of that company.

Re:Tesla’s Dojo Microarchitecture by dragontamer on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:18PM (#32726010)
If you are running a machine at near 100% utilization (like supercomputers should), then your biggest cost will be power costs.

So power efficiency becomes king, and process node is the best way to minimize power consumption.