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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by rootusrootus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @07:01PM (#32718583)
It's 100% correct that's simply a negotiation, and this is another variable. But if you came at me and told me I had to pay you what I pay my US employees, my first response would be "alright, but you have to work US hours and speak perfect American English." Honestly, that's a good part of why we try to hire in one general area, in this case the US. There is a real cost to foreign developers who only speak passable English and who work on a schedule that has little or no overlap with US time zones.
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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by soneca on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:31PM (#32719174)
There is a lot between "passable" and "perfect" American english. I have far from "perfect" English, but in all my jobs as software developer for american companies (3 so far), I got great feedback for my communication skills. Mostly, being remote, is written communication, but still.

I am close enough to US timezone (Brazil).

So, I guess you would be paying me what you pay US employees as well :)

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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by rootusrootus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:02PM (#32719386)
> There is a lot between "passable" and "perfect" American english.

Agreed.

> I am close enough to US timezone (Brazil). > So, I guess you would be paying me what you pay US employees as well :)

Works for me. I have no particular prejudice against any culture, my concerns are entirely practical. If you can participate in meetings during hours the rest of the team will be awake, and your English is good enough that everyone can understand 100% of what you say, you have equal value to someone sitting in the US.

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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:11AM (#32722096)
> you have equal value to someone sitting in the US

In a remote-only culture.

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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by jbay808 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @07:33PM (#32718819)
Sounds like you should hire Canadians!
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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by rootusrootus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:07PM (#32719413)
We do have a Canadian office, in fact, though admittedly I don't think our company makes any effort to hire from there. At least nobody in my division of the company resides in Canada. Yet. One of my immediate coworkers is holds dual US/Canadian citizenship by birth and he is in the process of transferring his employment to the Canadian office because he is uncomfortable with increasingly acrimonious tribal politics of the US.
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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by jbay808 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:47PM (#32719953)
How much is the pay differential between the US and Canada offices?
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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by therealdrag0 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:45PM (#32719271)
Definitely surprising it’s taken so long for this to take off. But maybe because CA has a tiny population probably too small a pool?
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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by AlbertCory on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:19PM (#32719103)
Many people don't consider Canadian English "passable" :)
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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by jbay808 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:23PM (#32719130)
We're quite willing to misspell "colour" for US rates!
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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by AlchemistCamp on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:35AM (#32720558)
The true crime is pronouncing "Java" to rhyme with "have a". Hearing someone say, "JaaavaScript" is a traumatic experience :)
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Re:Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how ... by AlbertCory on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:14PM (#32719781)
if you can stop pronouncing "south" as "soath" we might be OK with it.
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