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Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by smoldesu on Sunday September 04, 2022 @01:00PM (#32715133)
Nobody is mad about cloud providers scanning for objectionable content. Everyone is mad because Apple is using the hardware you payed for to perform an operation you're paying them to provide. It's like paying for an API that gives you the weather, and all the endpoint returns is a system call for your phone's thermometer.

It goes to show that Apple isn't afraid to undermine their own experience to implement adversarial software services. Combined with the way they "respect" the privacy of Chinese citizens, I don't think Apple actually cares about our privacy. It would seem that instead they're testing the waters for more radical changes[0], like using on-device machine learning to detect suicidal users or terrorists. And who's going to object when that happens, right?

[0] Source: the past century of US political discourse.

Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by astrange on Sunday September 04, 2022 @01:12PM (#32715262)
The guy who had his Google account deleted for sending pictures of his children to his doctor is definitely upset about cloud providers scanning his content!
Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by smoldesu on Sunday September 04, 2022 @01:22PM (#32715372)
I'm sure he is, but rules are rules. Google cannot store that content for any purpose whatsoever: there are very specific regulatory standards in place for storing medical data, and Google Drive/iCloud doesn't comply with those standards. They (both!) go as far as to tell you that in the EULA, so the context of the situation doesn't even matter in the first place.

The more bothersome thing (to me) is client-side scanning. Apple is setting a precedent that allows any first-party manufacturer to work against the user's interests as long as there's a large enough common enemy. It should go without saying, but that's a horrible idea!

If Google were doing the same thing on their Pixel phones, I'd be slamming them equally as hard. It's simply depressing to watch a company claim they know best, while proceeding to use your phone to run their regulatory compliance code.

Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by astrange on Sunday September 04, 2022 @01:33PM (#32715489)
Taking a picture of something on your own phone is not "medical data" and they weren't doing ToS compliance, they were scanning for novel CSAM in a way they're not required to, reported it to the police, and now are refusing to undelete his account because of their never give anyone customer service policy.

(Even if you took a picture to send to your doctor through an encrypted app, it just has to end up in the photo library to be cloud synced, unless you remember to hand delete it.)

Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by endisneigh on Sunday September 04, 2022 @01:02PM (#32715156)
Not sure what the distinction is. Either Apple uses the hardware you paid for to scan [before uploading] or uses the service you paid for [during upload] to scan.

The practical difference is nil. The fact of the matter is, either way, if you don't upload you won't be scanned, if you do upload you will be. End result is the same regardless of whether you use OneDrive, Box, Dropbox or Google Drive (who all implement CSAM scanning)

Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by smoldesu on Sunday September 04, 2022 @01:14PM (#32715282)
The practical difference is that I pay for the electricity they use, now. The wear-and-tear of their service is now imparted onto my phone.

If Apple wants to run that code, they're welcome to do it on their own servers; they pay for the hardware, they decide what software it runs. I shouldn't have to waste my storage space on their NeuralHash model though. I shouldn't waste my CPU cycles on their regulatory compliance. Arguing anything else is paramount to saying that Apple owned your phone from the start, and if that's the case, then antitrust legislation can't come soon enough.

Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by endisneigh on Sunday September 04, 2022 @01:16PM (#32715301)
seems like a dumb thing to argue about. everything you're saying is moot as you can just plug in your phone to your computer and upload photos without scanning, or use a self-hosted file upload service, etc.

your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do.

you also greatly overestimate how much CPU it takes to compare a hash, lol

fact of the matter is, you're only scanned when you're using apple services.

Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by smoldesu on Sunday September 04, 2022 @01:30PM (#32715451)
> your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do.

I didn't know LineageOS sent analytics, it never showed up on Netguard. Curious!

If you think this is a dumb thing to argue about, then by all means; don't argue about it! If you're satisfied with your iPhone and convinced that Apple can do no wrong, then certainly don't let me get in your way. We're talking about the largest company in the world, though, and if you're unwilling to offer them a little criticism for objectively degrading the iPhone experience, then I don't see the point in discussing this.

> you also greatly overestimate how much CPU it takes to compare a hash, lol

Do I? If it's not such a big hassle, then Apple can just run it on their own servers. They own your iCloud decryption keys anyways, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.

Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by endisneigh on Sunday September 04, 2022 @01:37PM (#32715545)
We're talking about Apple devices here so LineageOS is irrelevant. Please keep up.

> Do I? If it's not such a big hassle, then Apple can just run it on their own servers. They own your iCloud decryption keys anyways, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.

Privacy is better preserved doing it on device compared to on their servers.

anyway, nothing more to discuss here.

Re:Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services by pessimizer on Sunday September 04, 2022 @04:31PM (#32717396)
You might think that it's silly to complain about having to directly pay for an adversarial program to run, but try to imagine how it could bother other people.