Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by cft on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:00AM
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I am not a Kiwifarms user, but since it's now available at the new domain (and according to CF, KF is not cooperating) the threats should still be there. I cannot find them. Can you please link those threats? Otherwise this lends me to believe that the basis of Matthew Prince's sudden reversal on his "free speech" ideals was something else, not the KF content.
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The kiwi response states emphatically that they were deleted
Then if the site promptly deleted allegedly unlawful content, why was it deplatformed by CF?
the twitter pressure campaign
It could be the threats from their more important clients https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1565026728241614849
Interestingly, that thread gives no indication (other than the date it was written) whether the user is mad at CloudFlare for enacting censorship or for the lack of censorship.
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by shadowgovt on Sunday September 04, 2022 @06:48PM
(#32718492)
For the same reason thieves go to prison after returning stolen goods.
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by josephcsible on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:48AM
(#32720970)
Unlawful content gets posted to Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Reddit, etc. all the time. We don't deplatform all of them just because there was a window of time in which it was posted but not yet removed.
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by shadowgovt on Monday September 05, 2022 @07:28AM
(#32723127)
Their value proposition outweighs the harm.
Value of Facebook?
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by shadowgovt on Monday September 05, 2022 @10:56AM
(#32725009)
The burden of proof is on the interlocutor to disprove the value of a Fortune 500 company, yes.
I guess at 460bn market cap it's a tad more valuable than the drug market https://www.worldometers.info/drugs/
"With estimates of $100 billion to $110 billion for heroin, $110 billion to $130 billion for cocaine, $75 billion for cannabis and $60 billion for synthetic drugs, the probable global figure for the total illicit drug industry would be approximately $360 billion"
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by shadowgovt on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:01PM
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Correct. To square the circle, consider that while they're being fined heavily for their involvement in a massive legally-sanctioned opioid epidemic, the major drug companies aren't even being dissolved.
At this scale, for corporations, total value to society is part of the calculus society does. And KF has no value to demonstrate to offset the harm.
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by danielmalmer on Sunday September 04, 2022 @02:21PM
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Google exists.
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Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by yanderekko on Sunday September 04, 2022 @02:07PM
(#32715868)
What unambiguous claim has KF lied about in the past?
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by philippejara on Sunday September 04, 2022 @02:20PM
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This is coming from keffals herself: https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1566158393391423489
Who is keffals and why do I care? Lots of people say lots of things, what does that have to do with the KFools being lying bullies?
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare
by philippejara on Sunday September 04, 2022 @03:07PM
(#32716579)
my friend she is the target of the threat we are discussing here...