Blocking Kiwifarms

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by chroma on Sunday September 04, 2022 @03:29AM (#32710726)

Freedom of speech isn't about speech. It's about hearing. There are people who want to read or listen to what others have to say, and often for reasons besides agreement with the author's statements. By silencing someone, you are preventing others from reading what they want to read or hearing what they want to hear. I certainly don't agree with the posts and comments on kiwifarms, but I want to understand what they believe and why. Also, there is a diamond in that dung heap of a website. Kiwifarms users archive tons of stuff, and those archives are very valuable.

Moreover, I cannot help but notice the double standard you've created. You still provide services to godhatesfags.com. Hell, cloudflare provides DDoS protection for ISIS content. How can you say that kiwifarms is too dangerous when you're ensuring that copies of Inspire and Dabiq are available for extremists to read? If you want to talk about dangerous content, go after the people who claim that they want to murder innocent people and have done so many times in the past.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine)

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabiq_(magazine)

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by kanbara on Sunday September 04, 2022 @03:43AM (#32710794)

providing hateful content spreads hate. clinging to some idea that absolute freedom of speech allows us to be moral and just is quite frankly bs when the spread of fascist / terrorist / homophobic / racist propaganda contributes to the destruction of democracy and the very freedoms we hold dear

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by vintermann on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:14AM (#32713253)

> providing hateful content spreads hate.

You talk as if hate is a kind of mind-virus which must be defeated with quarantine.

For one thing, this is illiberal. You're not respecting people as your equals if you want to stop hatred by preventing them from reading things that can make them hate.

But more importantly, if it's that way, we have lost already. The tools you want to fight these evils with, work just as well in the enemy's hands, if not better.

We need a way to fight propaganda which works better for us than for them.

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by danuker on Thursday September 08, 2022 @04:30AM (#32762876)

> But more importantly, if it's that way, we have lost already.

Absolutely. If the status quo sees ideas as a risk to reduce, clearly it's fragile.

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by chroma on Sunday September 04, 2022 @03:54AM (#32710863)

OK, apply that logic to the Bible and the Qur'an. Both endorse slavery. Both encourage believers to hate gays and to treat women as chattel. Countless followers have dedicated their lives to the tenets in these books, and in many cases they end up harming others because of it. Are you going to ban those books? If not, why not?

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by hackerlight on Sunday September 04, 2022 @05:48AM (#32711435)

Because most people follow a neutered form of religion that isn't an acute or extreme threat to democracy and freedom. It is a diffuse threat to some freedoms for sure. But it doesn't compare to actual ISIS or fascist propaganda. There is no way to categorically separate these things. It's about matters of degree and pragmatically deciding to draw a line somewhere, instead of being ideologically pure and pretending that the best thing to do is draw no line.

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by iaml on Sunday September 04, 2022 @06:17AM (#32711559)

You do know we have documented proof that broadcasting hate speech tends to cause people get violent, right? Should we allow free radio of a thousand hills [0] to broadcast?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Télévision_Libre_des_Mil...

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by andrepd on Sunday September 04, 2022 @05:37AM (#32711385)

Utterly disgusting take. Harassing and threatening people, unrelenting campaigns during years to drive them to suicide, is okay because it's "an effective tool to shut down" what you deem to be "degenerate" behaviour.

Many things aren't black and white but what you just said is pure evil. Your parents ought to be ashamed.

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by herbst on Sunday September 04, 2022 @05:45AM (#32711421)

Instagram has driven people to suicide too, meta doesn't care. Same goes for any social platform.

You seem to have visited a very different Kiwifarms than I have. They always made a point about not interacting with the shown individuals. There haven't been any threatening or harassment campaigns. In fact people saying such things out loud have been shamed for their behaviour.

Not sure if you know the Chris Chan saga and the role Kiwifarms had and has in protecting Chris?

I am not excusing them, I have no exclusive opinion about them either. But your image of the site is simply wrong.

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by Yver on Sunday September 04, 2022 @06:50AM (#32711706)

If you want to claim that they do, then you should provide some evidence. Preferably not in the form of circular references to unsourced blog posts/articles.

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by herbst on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:10AM (#32712648)

Just to be clear I didn't not mean to call anyone degenerate. I was just talking about some people's dangerous online behaviour that could harm others.

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