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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by causality0 on Saturday September 03, 2022 @09:29PM (#32708742)
Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems.

Post the screenshot then. Show us what changed between when CF said "KF is acting within the bounds of the law and will remain online" and today.

Refusing service to customers you find contemptible is completely reasonable. Continuing to service customers out of a sense of fairness even though you find them contemptible is also reasonable. Pretending that you have a sense of fairness that keeps all legal entities online and abandoning it to protect your bottom line is hypocritical and cowardly.

Being a company that protects the vulnerable is every bit as honorable as being a company that stands for freedom of expression. Today Cloudflare proves it is neither.

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by systemvoltage on Saturday September 03, 2022 @09:46PM (#32708877)
If you go on Twitter, 90% of the replies aren't happy with Cloudflare's action. They want Cloudflare to do more and blaming CEO for why it took so long.

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1566188237986893824

Just shows how the activists are hammering Cloudflare CEO into submission. These people want complete abandonment of Freedom of Speech/Expression despite of what CEO is saying in this thread that it isn't about FoS/FoE.

I am just terrified of what holds for our future. We used to celebrate speech as progressives back in the 90's and used to defend it with fierce opposition to any supression. They say, freedom and liberty are one generation away, if the newer generation wants CCP-style authoritarianism, they will get it.

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by mike_d on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:05PM (#32708999)
Maybe centralizing a measurable percentage of the internet onto a single provider to the point they are frequently in this situation wasn't a great idea.

Consider this next time you consider Cloudflare. Not because of what decision they made, but because they are trying to make themselves the pipe that connects any two points on the internet.

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by causality0 on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:18PM (#32709096)
I dearly wish there was public-sector internet that was governed by the same rules as the post office. Stay within the law and nothing happens to you, violate the law and get arrested.
Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by jhugo on Sunday September 04, 2022 @02:29AM (#32710412)
We have something even better than that! The Internet is decentralised, no matter how much CF tries to pretend it isn't. Just choose not to use services like CF.
Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by andrepd on Sunday September 04, 2022 @05:50AM (#32711442)
Conveniently ignoring the fact that KF did violate the law, mainly through harassment. Of course the law couldn't give two shits protecting random citizens from (so-called) "non-violent", non-property crime.
Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by causality0 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:03AM (#32712590)
KF is a shitty place full of shitty people and its members almost certainly violated the law. But they didn't do it on Kiwi Farms. You can't harass somebody by posting comments on your own website. If "conspiracy to harass" is a crime you could commit that, but I've read page after page without seeing that and I haven't seen any screenshots of it that weren't reported and removed either.
Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by systemvoltage on Sunday September 04, 2022 @12:07AM (#32709724)
You think that would be a viable option? One half of the country thinks that we don't need to hand over internet in the hands of Gov. The other half wants to abolish SCOTUS. But in spirit, if it works well like the post office, I am onboard with that idea. The other idea would be to pass laws that make what Cloudflare is doing illegal.
Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by DangitBobby on Sunday September 04, 2022 @02:34AM (#32710443)
> we don't need to hand over the internet in the hands of Gov.

I don't know what you're trying to say.

> The other half want to abolish SCOTUS

Sorry, who are these people? I don't know any.

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by SturgeonsLaw on Sunday September 04, 2022 @12:29AM (#32709846)
The internet is global, some individual countries might have faults with their government, but the idea as a whole could be viable. It would need to be managed by a supranational, non-partisan, multipolar entity.
Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by systemvoltage on Sunday September 04, 2022 @12:41AM (#32709903)
Oh god, I hope you don't mean WEF kind of an entity.

On other note, I expect ICANN to become political in a few years, observing the way our institutions are failing, both domestic and international.

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by scifibestfi on Sunday September 04, 2022 @12:34AM (#32709864)
In fact freedom of expression is central to protecting the vulnerable. Civil rights were enabled by free speech.
Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by andrepd on Sunday September 04, 2022 @05:47AM (#32711430)
Yes, the vulnerable here being, of course, the people who expressed non-cis gender identity online and were harassed and bullied into shutting up or (preferably) killing themselves, not the forum orchestrating these hunts.
Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by tsol on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:40AM (#32713558)
Yes the point being this precedent can be used to hurt minority groups in the future even if it's for the sake of helping a minority group right now
Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by wbl on Sunday September 04, 2022 @07:22PM (#32718756)
Only if Matthew Prince decides to do that. Plenty of people published Malcom X speeches and not KKK speeches.