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Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by eru on Friday September 02, 2022 @05:25AM (#32688606)
I'd say airlines should use whatever model they want, as long as they clearly communicate what their policies are.

If you want to overbook like crazy and bump passengers off the plane, you should be free to try that. It's a free market, and no one is forced to fly with you.

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by AlecSchueler on Friday September 02, 2022 @05:37AM (#32688693)
It's a highly regulated market that seeks to protect the interests of customers in the EU.
Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by n0tth3dro1ds on Friday September 02, 2022 @06:53AM (#32689138)
>It’s a free market

Commercial aviation? Good one. When’s the next bailout?

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by eru on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:13AM (#32690323)
Or rather, it should be a free market.

In any case, have the budget carriers ever gotten a bailout?

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by ClumsyPilot on Friday September 02, 2022 @07:48AM (#32689482)
So tell me, what happens when companies lie?

If I call up an airline and ask them: what happens when you bump me off, and they say they will find me a new flight immediately.

In practice they often dont wven pick up the phone because they don't have enough staff.

And they get away with this

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by eru on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:15AM (#32690353)
There's plenty of tools available for customers when companies lie to them.

Those tools are applicable in many situations. Eg when Amazon doesn't send you the stuff they promised. Or when your shoeshop sells you knock-off Prada etc. It's a common problem with standard solutions.

Those standard solutions apply (or should apply) to airlines as well.

Eg when the airline gives you less legroom than they promised etc.

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by wwosik on Friday September 02, 2022 @05:46AM (#32688736)
that's a crazy take, consequences of a person being bumped off the plane is dramatically higher for the person than for the airline
Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by FabHK on Friday September 02, 2022 @07:07AM (#32689226)
It is not a crazy take. Both the number of passengers arriving for a particular flight and the number of seats available on a given flight is basically stochastic. It is good and proper that airlines optimise for the maximum revenue (after some compensation for bumped passengers) and in particular the maximum number of people flown, even if that entails overbooking. (Without overbooking, more planes (with more empty seats) would have to fly to transport the same number of people - why would anyone want that?)

Furthermore, a flight might be cancelled for any number of legitimate reasons (weather, strike, technical problems, crew limitations, change in government rules, etc.). A flight is not like a car trip (even though the aviation industry has been so spectacularly successful in delivering safe and reliable flights that people often forget that).

It is foolish, in my view, to rely on making any given flight.

Re:Germany pushes for ‘pay as you fly’ model by eru on Friday September 02, 2022 @09:16AM (#32690366)
So? You can start an airline that doesn't bump anyone off, and charge more money for that service, if you think that's what customers want.