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Re:California Declares Grid Emergency by naasking on Thursday September 01, 2022 @10:26AM (#32676700)
> At some point, we are going to realize "green" non nuclear energy doesn't work.

It does work if you actually listen to the engineers that know what they're talking about. Renewable deployments need significant overcapacity, and have to be paired with grid expansion to average over regional variability, and energy storage to average over temporal variability.

Overbuilding should be no big deal because renewables are super cheap right now and that's something that can be done immediately. Grid expansion and storage were just not getting the attention they needed, but at least I see indications that storage is getting some investment now.

Re:California Declares Grid Emergency by EricE on Thursday September 01, 2022 @10:42AM (#32676986)
Storage is going to take more than hand waving. At some point you actually have to *deliver* cost effective energy storage at scale - right now. Otherwise shut up and start building more reliable base load from older tech; unless you want more blackouts.

Physics doesn't give a crap about your feelings.

Re:California Declares Grid Emergency by ZeroGravitas on Thursday September 01, 2022 @10:59AM (#32677250)
https://www.caiso.com/about/Pages/Blog/Posts/A-golden-age-of...

> Just a few years ago, the notion that battery storage would play a key role in California’s energy future was seen by many as a quixotic dream for an emerging technology not yet reliable or cost-effective enough to be counted on.

> But in the past year alone, as California accelerates its transition to a carbon-free electric grid by 2045, there is a growing appreciation that battery storage has arrived in a big way, that it is performing well and playing an increasingly greater role in the state’s energy future.

> Mainzer called the influx of battery storage capacity on the grid over the past year “an incredible growth curve, an incredible success story,” adding that “We’ve entered a golden age of energy storage here in California.” The ISO now has more than 3,160 MW of battery storage connected to the grid and is expected to add another 700 MW by the end of June.

Re:California Declares Grid Emergency by EricE on Thursday September 01, 2022 @11:12AM (#32677516)
700 MW?

progress but still a drop in the bucket.

Re:California Declares Grid Emergency by ZeroGravitas on Thursday September 01, 2022 @11:15AM (#32677559)
That was by the end of June, in an article dated 14th of June.

There is a lot of battery storage planned for California.

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/03/14/californias-solar-mar...

Re:California Declares Grid Emergency by epistasis on Thursday September 01, 2022 @11:38AM (#32677975)
Do you think that they are stopping there?

The grid wasn't built in a day, and it won't be changed in a day.