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Re:Carmack: The code for AGI will be simple by programmer_dude on Thursday September 01, 2022 @07:06AM (#32674715)
Of-course it will be "simple". Human brains are "simple" too. Edit: To clarify, what I mean is it will appear to be simple once we have understood how it works and how to implement it ourselves.

But the path towards this goal is going to be anything but simple. To begin with it will need a multiple order of magnitude improvement in computational power. I primarily view this as a hardware problem.

Re:Carmack: The code for AGI will be simple by VyseofArcadia on Thursday September 01, 2022 @10:29AM (#32676759)
I had this view once, and then I married a microbiologist.

Nothing in biology is simple. Nothing. Even the simplest things are orders of magnitude more complex than I ever could have imagined from my lofty platonic realm of numbers and functions.

Life is fractal. Every time you zoom in, there is just as much complexity as the previous zoom level.

Re:Carmack: The code for AGI will be simple by fnordpiglet on Thursday September 01, 2022 @03:01PM (#32681343)
Except it’s all basically clever tricks to cause gradient diffusion to do what is needed.
Re:Carmack: The code for AGI will be simple by programmer_dude on Thursday September 01, 2022 @01:18PM (#32679702)
Absolutely, but I suspect much of this complexity is accidental / incidental in nature. It is needed to support the physical aspects of the biological processes. The essential (algorithmic / mathematical) part will be quite simple and can be emulated in a few thousand lines of code.

Complex algorithms are not energy efficient and since the brain is highly energy efficient we must preclude such algorithms from consideration.

Re:Carmack: The code for AGI will be simple by VyseofArcadia on Thursday September 01, 2022 @02:13PM (#32680643)
> I suspect much of this complexity is accidental / incidental in nature

From what little I know, I am unwilling to make that assumption, but I do think that starting with a relatively simple algorithmic/mathematical biology-inspired take and slowly ratcheting up the complexity as needed is a reasonable way to proceed.

Re:Carmack: The code for AGI will be simple by programmer_dude on Thursday September 01, 2022 @02:31PM (#32680897)
Agreed!
Re:Carmack: The code for AGI will be simple by isitmadeofglass on Thursday September 01, 2022 @09:49AM (#32676166)
Yes, everything is simple if you ignore all the details and most of the general concepts.
Re:Carmack: The code for AGI will be simple by programmer_dude on Thursday September 01, 2022 @01:25PM (#32679834)
Some details are more important than others and some irrelevant.

I posit the relevant details will be equivalent to a few tens of thousand lines of code since the brain is a highly (energy) efficient organ and there is no room for complex algorithms.