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Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by cowtools on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:27AM (#32663407)
DDoS is a product of an inherent weakness of the internet infrastructure, namely BGP. Cloudflare "solves" this by acting as a middleman, and charging for their service.

I don't know if I would describe a DDoS attack as "digital terrorism", but it is annoying and hard to stop on an individual level because of the design of the internet.

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by greyface- on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:32AM (#32663507)
> namely BGP

DDoS attacks would still occur if we used a routing protocol other than BGP. It's not created by BGP, it's created by the fact that the Internet is end-to-end oversubscribed.

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by cowtools on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:44AM (#32663736)
The weakness in the internet that allows for DDoS is that you can't tell your peers to filter incoming traffic on your behalf, so you need to discriminate on the edge. The attacker still gets to eat up your bandwidth and CPU time.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by greyface- on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:47AM (#32663781)
BGP absolutely does allow you to tell your peers to filter traffic before passing it to you. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7999.html
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by cowtools on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:51AM (#32663868)
This is just IP-based filtering, which is useless as the attacker can purchase more IP space.

What you need is something like a whitelist-by-public-key or hashcash or something.

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by ancarda on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @12:27PM (#32664559)
Isn't the issue more with how we implemented IP than BGP? AFAIK, DDoS attacks would be far less effective if every ISP implemented BCP 38.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by fomine3 on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @10:25PM (#32671132)
It's a problem that stop on an corporate level is also hard. Ultimately CDN is the only mitigation.