Even if that’s true, Ken White’s Rule or Goats applies: “[s]lightly paraphrased — for this family newspaper — the rule states: If you kiss a goat, even if you say you’re doing it ironically, you’re still a goat-kisser.”

That's a really useful expression - thank you and Ken White

It actually derives from an older and more crass joke. Said joke has been slightly modified in many different forms, but here is an example:

(Warning -- Potentially Not Safe For Work)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/26pf4s/an_irishman_a...

It's actually if you fuck a goat...

If you say you are kissing a goat, but never actually kiss a goat are you still a goat kisser?

> And both of them have daughters (only)

I don't think this is really relevant, I know plenty of people that will joke in the same way about other women besides their daughters and mothers.

Maybe I'm getting off on a tangent here, but I have two daughters and I truly don't understand the idea that it's completely fine for sexually-degrading jokes to be made about every single woman except my wife/daughter/mother. If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others. It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that. To me, that's a really shitty thing to do as a parent; we should be leading by example.

And that's without addressing the fact that Diaz' comment is potentially rooted in truth...

> If I feel that I'm free to make those kinds of jokes about every woman except the few closest to me, then I am essentially granting that same agency to every other guy, leaving my own kids open for those same degrading jokes from others.

In my experience (from observations) most of those people do not think the way you do, and if someone will say something like that to their daughters/mothers they will want to just fuck him up.

> It's a double-standard, and our wives/daughters/mothers are going to see that.

They see that already pretty clearly I think. Unfortunately that's the world we are living in, patriarchal world where by the law all genders should be equal but in reality men make more money than woman in same position, leadership positions are dominated by men, if a woman had a lot of partners some people will call her slut but in case of men they call him playboy etc. Double standards are everywhere around us.

Agreed. I'm just asking people to be better.