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Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't the ACH system been more abused? by kube-system on Monday August 29, 2022 @06:18PM (#32644287)
Yes, there are valid use cases for irreversible payments, like closing on a home. Banks do have solutions for this: wire transfers. Which is what you’ll use if you buy a house in the US.
Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't the ACH system been more abused? by snotrockets on Monday August 29, 2022 @10:29PM (#32645993)
Wire transfers are just as reversible.

Nothing in banking is un-undoable. Some just require more effort to undo.

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't the ACH system been more abused? by kube-system on Monday August 29, 2022 @10:59PM (#32646177)
Only in the case of a mistake or fraud. So if the recipient got the right amount in their account: it’s a done deal, same day.

As opposed to ACH which could bounce or you could issue a stop payment.

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't the ACH system been more abused? by snotrockets on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @12:43AM (#32646710)
The definition of mistake is quite broad. Not all parties may agree to what is and isn’t, requiring litigation, but the transfer itself isn’t a done deal until a very lengthy process has been exhausted.
Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't the ACH system been more abused? by riking on Monday August 29, 2022 @11:23PM (#32646302)
Zelle can't be undone if it's done from your account. They just take the money.
Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't the ACH system been more abused? by snotrockets on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @12:42AM (#32646700)
Of course it can. Zelle and your bank may not be keen on doing it, but it’s no less reversible than any other transfer.

And for fraudulent transfers, Zelle’s trying to pin them on the customer is them hoping you’d give up rather than remind them that regulation E governs it as well, and they used to acknowledge that on their web site.

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't the ACH system been more abused? by mbreese on Monday August 29, 2022 @10:15PM (#32645912)
I was going to suggest “cash” as the other option.