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Re:The zigzags of politically correct opinion in communist r... by ithkuil on Monday August 29, 2022 @04:17AM (#32635845)
The thing with whataboutism is that (besides obviously just a trick to swamp discussion about any topic) is that even if you take it as face value it's often dishonestly out of proportion. Sure NATO did bomb Serbia and a lot of civilians were killed but how does that justify killing an order of magnitude more civilians in Ukraine (and counting)?

And if you want go down the whataboutistic rabbit hole, someone will bring up that Serbia played a major role in other conflicts of the yugoslav wars and that NATO was just reacting to a decade of calls for "why isn't the west doing anything to stop this?"

The thing that enables this sort of atrocities is not considering your target as fully human. American's way of coping with that is that they think most of the world is just a primitive shithole. Russian's way of dealing with Ukraine is that of saying that Ukraine just doesn't exist, that it's just a fake simulacrum of mother Russia, that its people are just jokes.

This setup helps fueling the asymmetric situation where grievances on your side are amplified and those in the other side trivialized.

Re:The zigzags of politically correct opinion in communist r... by hackerlight on Monday August 29, 2022 @04:24AM (#32635897)
> Sure NATO did bomb Serbia and a lot of civilians were killed but how does that justify killing an order of magnitude more civilians in Ukraine (and counting)?

Because it justifies the Kremlin's elaborate conspiracy theory that says the US fomented a coup on their border in order to put hostile neo-nazi russophobes into power in order to divide and conquer. Intervention in Serbia, seen as within their sphere of influence, is used as one piece of evidence in support of this conspiracy theory. Basically, they intervened in our perceived affairs before, therefore < conspiracy theory > is true.

Re:The zigzags of politically correct opinion in communist r... by ithkuil on Monday August 29, 2022 @04:29AM (#32635928)
And it was "their affairs" because Serbia is their ally or because the whole eastern block is by definition sacrosanct Russian sphere of influence?
Re:The zigzags of politically correct opinion in communist r... by hackerlight on Monday August 29, 2022 @04:41AM (#32635987)
Probably both, and it was done at a moment of maximum weakness in post-Soviet Russia with little to no consultation or involvement with Russia. It would've been a moment of humiliation for the nationalist and imperialist types.