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Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by icyfox on Sunday August 28, 2022 @09:34AM (#32628276)
Audible has some flagrant dark patterns in their design for consumers as well. While you _could_ buy independent audiobooks at cost, their most popular model is to subscribe to a monthly membership where you earn one credit a month. This monthly credit can buy any audio book.

The dig comes if you decide you have too many credits cached. Perhaps because you can't get through one audiobook a month. If you cancel a subscription for an account with remaining credits, you'll lose all your credits. Your choice is to either spend them all at once or keep your account active and keep paying the monthly fee while hoping to eventually pay down the credit debt enough to cancel.

The only thing that's compared in my experience is for Adobe Stock.

Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by agentwiggles on Sunday August 28, 2022 @10:13AM (#32628537)
I really hate the cancellation thing. There's no reason it has to be that way, it's just plain extortion (that might be a bit dramatic of a word for it, but it's the dynamic).

I bought a sub a year ago because there was a good deal ($5/mo for 6 months or something). Now I have a pile of credits and a recurring monthly charge. Yeah, I knew what I was getting into, but it's annoying all the same.

Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by sockaddr on Sunday August 28, 2022 @12:11PM (#32629479)
It is an absolutely horrible way to treat customers. Don't use their service.

I've had a subscription for a while and it has helped me read more books but this cancellation policy is absolutely bonkers. They really are actively trying to hurt and squeeze the customer more than any other service I've used. I downgraded my subscription (to stop receiving credits) but I'm still having trouble using the credits I did build up. As soon as I'm done I'll be cancelling forever.

Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by ldjb on Sunday August 28, 2022 @12:43PM (#32629770)
There are many valid criticisms of Audible, but I think membership pricing is just something that will suit some people more than others.

Personally, I have no trouble buying on average one book per month. I think that the ability to accumulate credits offers quite a lot of flexibility. Instead of being forced to buy one book every month, I can opt not to buy a book this month, but instead buy two books next month.

Although it is annoying that you lose all your credits if you cancel, there are plenty of books to spend them on. And I don't think it's entirely reasonable for Audible to hold on to your credits for eternity – since you could redeem them at any point, they'd have to keep a pot of money sitting around for paying rights holders. Imagine if something happened and a huge amount of people decided to redeem all their credits all at once – without a huge amount of cash set aside, Audible could have trouble fulfilling all those orders.

So I think the pricing system isn't so bad, but the DRM situation is very disappointing.

Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by diffeomorphism on Sunday August 28, 2022 @02:45PM (#32630866)
> isn't entirely reasonable...

Credits or vouchers are not a new thing. Common schemes are limited duration, buying when you need them (possibly with bulk discount) instead of every month or buying every month but automatically stopping if you still have 10 stocked up (e.g. pop-up for phone's) or returning/selling unused vouchers for X%, ...

Given all these options available offering "nothing at all" seems not that reasonable.

Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by MrFantastic on Sunday August 28, 2022 @10:23AM (#32628599)
You can suspend your Audible account as well. This allows you to keep your credits but you won't be charged.
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by riekus on Sunday August 28, 2022 @11:58AM (#32629371)
But this is limited as well, max 6 months and only 1 timer per x If I recall correctly, I just ripped my bought books and canceled
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by msh on Sunday August 28, 2022 @01:24PM (#32630117)
Well they have a silver membership that for 10 USD a year let's you keep your credits and access to sales.
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by tedmiston on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @02:00PM (#32653200)
I tried to find this in the switch plan and cancel plan processes to no avail.

Their cheapest plan in the cancelation flow is "Switch to a credit every other month for $8.50/mo" which doesn't show a title in the UI but sounds like the "silver plan" from [1].

[1]: https://audiobookaddicts.com/audible-silver-plan/

Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by msh on Thursday September 01, 2022 @02:49AM (#32672897)
Sorry, looked up my emails from audible to check. The plan I referred to is called "inactive light".
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by temporalparts on Sunday August 28, 2022 @10:34AM (#32628687)
But the credits are SOOOOO much cheaper than the raw audiobook cost. Since books are over $40 whereas credits are at most $15.
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by honkler on Sunday August 28, 2022 @10:58AM (#32628896)
price is arbitrary. Bits and bytes are free.
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by edanm on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @05:10AM (#32648224)
No, it's not, and no they're not. Bits and bytes cost money to produce.
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by swozey on Sunday August 28, 2022 @02:32PM (#32630745)
At some point this year Audible also stopped letting you see the price of audiobooks in the Audible app, you also can't purchase books without using an Audible credit via the App.

It's clearly so that people like me who save credits and only use them on $22+ books have no idea what a book actually costs without looking them up. I buy anything under $12-15 with cash since credits are basically $12, at least in the 3 credit bundle.

Jokes on them though, now I buy even less books and stick to my unread library more nowadays.

Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by jollins on Sunday August 28, 2022 @03:53PM (#32631476)
I’m pretty certain the price removal was due to App Store and Play store policy. If you list the price, users expect to be able to purchase in-app, which then means Audible forks over the 30% tariff the platforms take.
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by swozey on Monday August 29, 2022 @08:13AM (#32637233)
Hm, that's a lot less cynical of a take than mine I guess!
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by edanm on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @05:13AM (#32648248)
For people like me, who read a lot of books, Audible was and is absolutely wonderful.

Audiobooks used to cost like $30-$40 each, at least. With Audible, I pay a monthly fee and get access to books at $10 each. They also routinely have deals selling books for $10, or 2-for-1 deals, etc. The difference in price is huge and a no-brainer if you read a lot of books.

Note: I actually do the year-subscription plan, in which you get 24 credits for the cheapest price, to spend during that year. Buying extra credits will give them to you at that low price as well.

Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by chrisseaton on Sunday August 28, 2022 @10:45AM (#32628789)
Audio books seem to cost like £25 each, but credits are £8 a month. Seems like an absolute no-brainer if what you want to do is actually listen to books? If you're accumulating credits then you shouldn't be subscribed in the first place.
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by johns on Sunday August 28, 2022 @09:58AM (#32628422)
This is not how it works
Re:Why none of my books are available on Audible by CobaltFire on Sunday August 28, 2022 @10:02AM (#32628453)
This is EXACTLY how it works. Any and all credits are lost the instant you unsubscribe; it’s very clear when you do.