We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know

Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by wruza on Sunday August 28, 2022 @09:04AM (#32628101)

That is the only logical conclusion to arrive at from an atheistic world view, at least he's being honest with himself. More atheists should be honest with themselves as well and we'll see how things end up.

People may speak fantasies, but act - they mostly act as they honestly think. “Things” will end up just as they are now. You are dehumanizing atheists and, as I suspect, anyone who doesn’t follow your “ethical” god.

We all have a right to disagree, but thinking that all ethical people who do not agree with you are just not honest with themselves is delusional. You’re basically saying that if your god doesn’t prohibit something that other people may find highly unethical in their culture, you will still do that. That’s the essence of how most people see your religion.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by al_mandi on Sunday August 28, 2022 @02:18PM (#32630613)

> You are dehumanizing atheists and, as I suspect, anyone who doesn’t follow your “ethical” god.

I'm not. We see the evidence of the direction of where the world is heading right before our eyes. The wise people already see it coming.

> thinking that all ethical people who do not agree with you are just not honest with themselves is delusional.

I said that the conclusion that those atheists had reached is the ultimate and only conclusion to reach when one is honest with themselves. I saw many atheists, and they don't think about the implication of their world view. They just live day to day as things around us get worse, then people cry and complain about how bad things are, while being blind to the true causes.

Look at the big mess of the modern day economic system. People are crying about high interest rates, student loans, etc. Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all prohibit usury (interest) for a good reason. Today people are trying to address the symptoms but not the cause, and they're failing at it. All these things have repercussions, but few people see it.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by wruza on Sunday August 28, 2022 @05:38PM (#32632327)

These generalizations that you make about atheists basing on how messed up the world is are false. Any complex system will have issues, and you cannot compare it to an imaginary one. People may cry about many things but fact is they still do not express any interest in living in existing religious states. So maybe what you're seeing as a cultural myopia is an otherwise excellent tradeoff. It's easy to criticize any system while taking it for granted and not living in systems you're advocating for.

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