Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by al_mandi on Saturday August 27, 2022 @09:42PM
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> Inside our observable universe? Yea most likely. We can't deduce that the same hold true outside the universe.
Which is why we rely on the honest news. Prophets like Muhammad, Jesus, and Moses Prayers of God be upon them all proved that they came with a message. They performed miracles, and their character is well known. It's basically an inductive proof.
Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by craftsman on Sunday August 28, 2022 @01:21AM
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The claims that they performed miracles and various testaments to their good character are hearsay, not evidence.
If one man claims that god said to him “such and such”, he may think that god has spoken to him, but I’m not obliged to. All I can say with certainty is that he is a person who thinks god spoke to him and subsequently told me about it.
Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by al_mandi on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @02:16AM
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> not evidence
Of course it's evidence. We have prophecies made thousands of years ago and they're coming true in our very lifetimes. E.g. http://www.provingislam.com
Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know
by eis on Saturday August 27, 2022 @10:37PM
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No, it's just complete bullshit. Zero reasoning, just wild claims. Your argument with me started out not that bad and I tried to use sound logic to see who might be right. But as the argument went on you drifted more into babble, left the realm of logic and gave up addressing my arguments. Now we're in full tilt nonsense territory it seems.
Einstein explained that nothing can move faster than light but the universe seems to be expanding faster than light so clearly the universe itself can follow different rules and of course anything theoretically outside of it could do pretty much anything for all we know (since we don't know anything about it).
The big bang theory is not proven. That's what the video of the article talks about. It's a hypothesis amongst many about the origin of our universe. If you base your conviction of the existance of god on the big bang theory... I dunno what to say. Why does god follow from big bang? Just because there was a cause? Imagine you are an ant living inside a box. You never see anything outside the box. I've put the ants inside the box. You as an ant might believe something must have created the box. Even if that were true (which you can't prove from inside the box) then clearly that does not mean I am god, right? I couldn't care less about the beliefs of the ants and I have no idea if they worship me or not. But maybe they built a whole faith in me and a system of rules because one ant claims I spoke to it in its dreams. Reality though is that they are simply wrong and just made a whole lot of wrong assumptions. And they still didn't come up with an answer. Likely never will. You can make some interesting thought experiments regarding that. If god created beings with free will then that means he can't be omnipotent because the beings are not bound by his will. If it is not his will but free will and as you said everything must have a cause... then what is the cause for our free decisions? Does that mean it is arbitrary? Random? If so then there is something outside of god and all he created. What is it? Or does free will mean there is no ultimate cause?You called people doing evil an abuse of free will. But why is it abuse if god wanted it to be like that? Doesn't it mean that god wanted evil to exist? Otherwise he'd create a system with free will but with evil excluded. We would never know about evil being missing since he completely removed it from our reality. In the same line of thinking how would we know if we have true free will? What if there was a third thing next to good and evil? How can we know we have free will? And how can we say it is better to have free will than not? If I gave you the choice of living a life in which 100% of days you are happy or a life in which on random days you will be unhappy, which life would you choose?
Nope that is not true. We can have morals and ethics without god. You are accusing me of not having a grounded morality because I am not a theist which I find really offensive. Morals can emerge from simple logical arguments that will strive for the survival of our species and a well working society.Good and bad are actually subjective. Muslims will find me eating pork as bad. For christians it wouldn't be bad. For christians it would be really bad if I had multiple wifes while muslims would be OK with it. Who is right and who is wrong? If you pick either one then you claim that some religions are correct and others wrong. How did you decide which ones are the correct ones? It also means there can only be one final true religion because if there are two religions then they must differ in something and both can't be right at the same time.
You say god legislates what is good and bad. Ignoring that different religions as outlined above disagree about what is good or bad, how exactly do we know for sure that the claimed laws have been handed by god? That someone pronounces so is not good enough.
Do animals who seem to also have a system of good and bad have religous believes? My dog feels really guilty when he makes a mess. Who told him about god and that he shall not make a mess?