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Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by Pepe1vo on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:17AM (#32618135)
Though I understand the reasoning behind your proposal, it has to be noted that it's massively unfair towards lower incomes. Simply because these are the people who either don't have the money to reduce the energy usage of their homes, or are renting and there is little incentive for landlords to make that investment.
Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by ClumsyPilot on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:20AM (#32618158)
> or are renting and there is little incentive for landlords to make that investment

This is a massive market failure that needs to be addressed

Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:27AM (#32618209)
>This is a massive market failure that needs to be addressed

The entire real-estate market in the west (both buying and renting) is an intentional failure (but economic success for the owners) designed to be a zero sum game to squeeze newcomers and prop up existing landlords, asset owners, and banking profits on the backs of those trying to enter the market. And then western governments wonder why millennials and younger stopped having kids. Because you priced them out of home ownership, that's why.

Good luck getting the governments to break this vicious cycle and stop making real-estate an investment vehicle designed for huge returns, and good luck getting existing property owners in voting for policies which will lead to a devaluation of their homes.

I feel like if this trend keeps growing, sooner or later, eating the rich will be the only solution.

Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by Pepe1vo on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:26AM (#32618193)
Definitely, here in the Netherlands a law has recently been passed that mandates that all rented houses should have a minimum energy efficiency rating of D. IMO it should have been a C rating, but at least its something.
Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:29AM (#32618218)
In Austria D isn't really much. Those are basically uninsulated buildings from the 50's. That's a really low bar and I don't know what building can be worse than D. A garden shed maybe? Making D mandatory by law seems like pointless political posturing. But then again I don't know buildings in the Netherlands.
Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by Pepe1vo on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:44AM (#32618347)
It's an European standard, so maybe the criteria are different in Australia? My current apartment has an E rating and it has double paned windows everywhere, floor + ceiling insulation and I have neighbours on all side including above and below, meaning not much energy is transferred to outside.

Edit: just noticed I misread Austria as Australia (lol), point still stands though, a D rating is not that bad.

Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by makomk on Saturday August 27, 2022 @09:15AM (#32618588)
I'm not sure how the Austrian system works or what homes are like there or in the Netherlands, but a lot of older homes in the UK can apparently only reach a D even after all the standard insulation retrofits are done. This is especially a problem in areas of the UK that are poorer already.
Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by ploppyploppy on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:24PM (#32622825)
In the UK it's E
Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by hotpotamus on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:20AM (#32618157)
Reality is unfair towards people with lower incomes - that's what lower income means.
Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by knorker on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:20PM (#32621110)
Not in isolation, no.

E.g. FIRE. It's not unfair that those who retire early don't continue to get a salary.

It's not even unfair (on its own) that those who are irresponsible with credit cards to go on trips, instead of investing in their future (e.g. staying home and learning), later have lower income.

That's not unfair.

Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by OJFord on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:24AM (#32618184)
What does 'unfair' mean in that dictionary system?
Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by hotpotamus on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:27AM (#32618201)
Why does a vest have no sleeves?
Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by the_third_wave on Saturday August 27, 2022 @09:06AM (#32618506)
Depends on the dictionary you're re using and where you look, in a Dutch dictionary a 'vest' can be a knitted button-down sleeved sweater ('een kort gebreid jasje met mouwen').
Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by throwaway22032 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:21AM (#32618166)
If you assume that the lower band is set significantly below the level required for basic needs, yes.

That would essentially be no change from now.

Re:UK energy bills are soaring to record highs by knorker on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:16PM (#32621071)
It's a proposal that is exactly taking people with lower incomes into account.

What, short of abolishing capitalism altogether, would be "fair"?

More money will always be able to buy more than less money. And the comment you're replying to would HEAVILY subsidize people for their needs, while discouraging everyone's wants.