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Re:What have we lost? – Demo of exotic OSes (2021) [video] by spideymans on Thursday August 25, 2022 @06:46PM (#32600943)
> even Windows is very "unix-like" in ways people don't even realize.

WSL is a tacit acceptance of UNIX dominance.

Re:What have we lost? – Demo of exotic OSes (2021) [video] by lproven on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:04AM (#32604894)
WSL is Microsoft doing its classic "embrace and extend" strategy, yet again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

Re:What have we lost? – Demo of exotic OSes (2021) [video] by bombcar on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:02PM (#32601132)
Even before that, much of the UI of DOS itself is Unix inspired (DOS even had “files” for certain devices such as PRN and COM)

There are VMS-inspired parts also, but even that is somewhat in the Unix sphere of things.

Re:What have we lost? – Demo of exotic OSes (2021) [video] by q-big on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:25PM (#32601344)
> Even before that, much of the UI of DOS itself is Unix inspired

The inspiration rather came from CP/M.

Re:What have we lost? – Demo of exotic OSes (2021) [video] by chasil on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:59PM (#32602877)
...which in turn was strongly influenced by a previous product from DEC.

"Various aspects of CP/M were influenced by the TOPS-10 operating system of the DECsystem-10 mainframe computer, which Kildall had used as a development environment."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M

Re:What have we lost? – Demo of exotic OSes (2021) [video] by p_l on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:37PM (#32601910)
Not exactly - several "killer features" of DOS 2.0 were features inspired by Xenix and which were not present in CP/M, including a /DEV/ directory, the mere concept of hierarchical filesystem and optional use of forward slashes in directory paths - backslashes were introduced because of CP/M legacy in commands
Re:What have we lost? – Demo of exotic OSes (2021) [video] by lproven on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:06AM (#32604899)
No they weren't.

This is an urban myth of computing, and it needs to die.

CP/M commands did not accept command-line switches in any standard way. You are trying to "correct" people who are telling the real story by repeating a myth.

http://www.os2museum.com/wp/why-does-windows-really-use-back...

Re:What have we lost? – Demo of exotic OSes (2021) [video] by p_l on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:15AM (#32604959)
Ah, I seem to have been waylaid by some of the older mentions there - thanks for the link with mention of M-DOS. I was certain of DEC connections, but thought it came through CP/M and forgot to take into account PDP-10 history of Microsoft.
Re:What have we lost? – Demo of exotic OSes (2021) [video] by babypuncher on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:06PM (#32601165)
With the upgrades to WSL in Windows 11 you can run fsv[1] with minimal hassle and finally get the true UNIX experience[2].

1: http://fsv.sourceforge.net/ 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxIPcbmo1_U