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Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:53AM (#32595469)
Town around 50000 is a good bet then. If you can work remotely, find a college town and live outside the center, about a mile. You can bike to anything, take the bus, or just walk.

I did this. I have 100 restaurants, too many bars to count, music and theatre (three!) and festivals and arts within trivial distances. No car needed.

Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by dont__panic on Thursday August 25, 2022 @12:07PM (#32595747)
Even smaller towns are viable, too. My New England town has around 5,000 people in it. Aside from the early closing times for restaurants and breweries, (8 or 9!?!?!?!), I have access to exactly the same amenities I had in cities before. And lots more outdoor-oriented things as well. Plus... no traffic.
Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by scruple on Thursday August 25, 2022 @12:15PM (#32595874)
My wife and I are seriously considering our options in smaller towns in New England. Many of them predate the automobile and have the sorts of qualities that are being talked about in this thread.
Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by dont__panic on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:07PM (#32596705)
I highly recommend. Hanover/Lebanon, Burlington, and Montpelier are decent places to start if you want access to arts, music, theatre, etc. If you're willing to compromise on some of those things in favor of outdoor activities, there are a LOT of great small towns in Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine that let you walk and bike to the basics.

If you enjoy biking to establishments, it's worth it to actively think about dirt roads and rail trails in your search -- dirt roads cut car speeds to safe levels, and rail trails let you avoid cars almost entirely. Both make biking miles better.

Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by scruple on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:33PM (#32597097)
I've spent quite a bit of time looking at Vermont, specifically Burlington and Montpelier. I have a very good friend from who was born in Burlington and who moved back there to raise his kids. Those two cities are at the top of our list, but I'd also like to explore/research more of New Hampshire, Maine, and western Massachusetts. We spent some time in Maine, on the coast during the early fall, and really enjoyed it.
Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by bbradley406 on Thursday August 25, 2022 @02:18PM (#32597779)
Having grown up in western MA I'd highly recommend it. There are lots of small towns with back roads for biking. There's also loads of state forest land and great hiking, as the Appalachian Trail passes through the region. The ski mountains are smaller than those to the north, but they're fine for kids and the bigger ones are a short drive away. It's a bit less rugged and outdoorsy than ME, NH or VT but the schools are the best out of the lot if that's a concern for you.

It's also almost evenly centered between NYC and Boston if you want to do weekend city adventures. You'll probably still need a car but if you live in the center of town you won't use it except for longer trips.

Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by scruple on Thursday August 25, 2022 @02:44PM (#32598167)
> but the schools are the best out of the lot if that's a concern for you.

That is how I became aware of western Mass, actually. FWIW education is a major driver for us since we have 3 young kids. My thinking waffles a bit because there's a list of criteria in my head, like being walkable, bikeable, having a downtown area, in addition to the more major concerns we have as a family around education, local economy, and affordability. I appreciate the reply!

Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by r00fus on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:53PM (#32597402)
Restaurants close at 8/9 in high-price metro areas like the SF Bay also (suburbs).
Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by Taylor_OD on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:24AM (#32608718)
Some. Not all. The difference is when ALL restaurants are closed vs some/many/most.
Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by rascul on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:43PM (#32597250)
> Town around 50000 is a good bet then.

Maybe. Two examples I've lived in or around are Chambersburg, Pennsylvania and Hattiesburg, Mississippi, with populations around 50k. Chambersburg is probably little bit more walkable because it's a little more dense, but neither are (in my opinion) comfortable for walking or biking outside of specific areas, and those specific areas don't have everything you need.

Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by Mechanical9 on Thursday August 25, 2022 @02:17PM (#32597774)
Not sure if this is the place you're talking about, but this sounds a lot like Portland, Maine. Portland has one of the highest restaurant densities due to being a tourist destination. It has a semi-dense downtown with a lot of very nice walkable areas. Look up "Portland Maine Old Port" to get a sense of what it's like downtown.

Unfortunately, there are relatively few places to live inside the dense part of town. The city is overly-zealous about maintaining historic districts and you'd better believe people get all up in arms about "changing the character of the neighborhood" every time a new development is proposed, even in non-historic and totally dilapidated areas. I've seen literally hundreds of millions of dollars worth of new housing and commercial projects be cancelled or indefinitely postponed due to this attitude just in the last 10 years.

While the city has a lot of potential, it's population has stagnated since the 1970s and the surrounding area has become a massive suburban sprawl. Many of the buildings downtown have been replaced with parking lots. Traffic is generally terrible, and the bus system has low coverage and poor frequencies.

Around 100 years ago, Portland was a thriving metropolis with electric trolleys going to every imaginable destination. All of those trolleys are gone now and their tracks have either been removed or awkwardly paved over.

Portland was once a vibrant inter-city train hub with hourly connections to the rest of Maine. The two primary stations, Union Station, and Grand Trunk Terminal, have been torn down. The current train hub, "Portland Transportation Center" is much further from the city center to make room for a large parking lot. It is about a 40 minute walk from what is considered the downtown area. 20 minutes by bus if your schedule happens to line up.

It's pretty disappointing how much better it once was. I'm doubtful that it will ever be as good as it was back then, but still hopeful. There are plans to move the train station back to where Union Station was. New routes to Lewiston and Rockland have been studied (although would apparently cost hundreds of millions to repair the tracks). The state has recently subsidized certain interstate train and bus routes to make them very affordable. And generally I think a lot of problems could be immediately solved by straightening out bus routes and increasing frequency, as well as obviously removing a lot of building-size restrictions and parking minimums.

Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by Panther34543 on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:31PM (#32597067)
Where? A town of 50,000 with 100 restaurants, many bars, and multiple theaters and festivals would be a highly desirable place to live for many, many people.

What area were you referring to?

Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by Ar-Curunir on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:57PM (#32599195)
Any college town, because students don’t have cars and necessarily have to takes buses or bike or walk everywhere. Eg Berkeley, Ithaca, Cambridge and more
Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by jrussino on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:49PM (#32597337)
Not the original commenter, but as they mentioned "college town" I would offer up Evanston, IL (home of Northwestern University) as a good example. ~75k population according to Wikipedia, so a little bigger than the target, but lots to do within walking/biking range and you can take the L into Chicago if that's not enough.
Re:Too many Americans live in places built for cars – not fo... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:34PM (#32598856)
Iowa City, Iowa