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Re:How far can you go without a message queue? by abraxas on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:20AM (#32594057)
And all the transactional challenges that having more than one persistent store brings with it. Either need to have XA orchestration or implement the saga pattern. Either way it's a massive complexity overhead if transactional consistency between the queue and your database is important for your application.
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Re:How far can you go without a message queue? by skyde on Friday August 26, 2022 @02:26AM (#32603960)
it’s usually done using the outbox pattern.

i’m not sure if this pattern can be called a type of saga.

you basically have a tiny queue in you db using a special table that you drain to an external queue server.

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