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Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by bambax on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:20AM (#32590641)
> As much as modern pickup trucks have become a fashion statement

Pickup trucks are the opposite of fashion. There are to cars what Crocs are to shoes.

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by marcusestes on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:13AM (#32590991)
Disagree. Because the utility is seldom fully utilized in an urban environment, they are nearly pure fashion. They serve as a signaling mechanism the same way that a pair of Gucci loafers do, just for a different culture.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by throwaway0a5e on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:58AM (#32591634)
>Because the utility is seldom fully utilized in an urban environment, they are nearly pure fashion.

Utilization of private vehicles scales with income, not with population density. HN just all tends to live in "nice" places so they never see people using their vehicles to the max. This is true for all vehicle classes, not just pickup trucks.

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by JoBrad on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:25AM (#32592765)
Maybe selective utilization of private vehicles is linked to income, but in many parts of the US, a car is a necessity.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by lupire on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:21AM (#32593352)
Parent is making a (unclear and dubious) comment about how much each vehicle is used, not how many people own vehicles.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by bambax on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:30AM (#32591117)
They serve as a signalling mechanism all right; they signal that their owner has no taste, and doesn't care.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by branon on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:38AM (#32592895)
Similar to how your comments signal that you have a weird personal vendetta against pickup trucks?
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by Retric on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:34AM (#32592302)
Just like every generation’s thinks the next generations music sucks, this reaction is intended.

Fashion is about signaling not whatever you happen to agree with.

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by hwestiii on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:49AM (#32592433)
how is signaling different from "whatever you happen to agree with"?
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by Retric on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:34AM (#32593502)
Because a strong negative reaction is also a sign of fashion.

Tattoos aren’t universal, what’s acceptable for Army special forces, goths, gang members, etc are all different. So, good or bad only exists in a specific context it isn’t something that any person can judge universally. Someone really can define good as whatever pisses people like you off.

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by lucidone on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:47AM (#32593647)
Some of us need the utility of a truck (hauling a trailer for camping, hauling gear bi-weekly to a racetrack, driving through poorly maintained roads during the winter).
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by woodruffw on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:12AM (#32592627)
You and I might disagree about their fashionability, but they are indeed a fashion (and political) statement for many people.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by bambax on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:01AM (#32593146)
Well no... that's my point! A political statement is not fashion. If one plants a political flag in their garden in support of a presidential candidate, that's not fashion, that's politics.

If people decide to broadcast their opinions about the world using cars, they certainly can; but I don't think that kind of behavior can be called "fashion". Ideology, maybe.

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by Retric on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:41AM (#32593582)
Fashion: “social standing or prominence especially as signalized by dress or conduct” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fashion

Political affiliation is definitely part of social standing and the degree to which such signaling impacts how people talk, dress, and what they buy is very much fashion.

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by randomdata on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:40AM (#32595240)
Regionality in fashion is significant, clothing included, but in this part of the world trucks are definitely fashion. People largely drive trucks because they like the way they look in them, not because they have some secret political statement that nobody is picking up on.

As you venture out into the world you will also find trucks that are clear political statements. You might be right that an individual cannot own a truck for both fashion and political reasons (although I'm not sure I agree), but just because some people use trucks for political statements does not mean all trucks are political statements. Some trucks can be used for fashion without crossing those who use them political statements.

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by woodruffw on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:10AM (#32593233)
I think that's making too fine of a point. There are numerous aesthetic choices associated with political positions; variants of "military chic" amongst conservatives is one example.

I happen to think that most modern trucks look incredibly stupid, but that's because their design language isn't intended for me. It's intended for people who have different fashion tastes, tastes that approximate political positions that I don't hold. In other words: the truck itself isn't a direct political statement, ordinarily; it's an efficient means for signaling politics through fashion.

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by randomdata on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:59AM (#32595601)
> It's intended for people who have different fashion tastes, tastes that approximate political positions that I don't hold.

As a Canadian living in the heart of supply management (i.e. state ownership of the means of production) country, where supplies are provided by the so named and literal Co-op (i.e. community ownership of the means of production), trucks are very popular. In part because they are useful tools in carrying out the business within that socialist system, but also because outsiders emulate to try and convey similar social standing.

If there is a political statement to be found in there, which may be a stretch, to me it would be that trucks = socialism. But when I look beyond my bubble, I'm left with the impression that trucks are, if anything, especially stateside, a statement at the compete opposite end of the spectrum.

What approximate political position do you believe is inbuilt into the design of modern trucks?

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by dumpsterlid on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:32AM (#32592837)
I would say crocs and pickup trucks are opposite. Many many people hate crocs and how they look but they are in many regards actually an extremely practical shoe for most peoples' day to day life. The opposite is true for trucks.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by 1234letshaveatw on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:34AM (#32593501)
Does everyone here live in a studio apartment? Pickup trucks are the most utilitarian vehicle you can buy. Whether you use it for hauling furniture from the antique store, or you transport firewood or a load of topsoil or throw a kayak in the back, or one of a million other jobs. I don't get how people can become so radicalized that they develop a hatred for pickup trucks. We are doomed as a country
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by kube-system on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:02AM (#32593847)
I’ve owned several pickups. My current pickup has two doors, a vinyl floor, roll up windows, a key to open the door, and dents all over it. That’s a utilitarian vehicle. The $60k luxury barges I see at the mall are not that.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by dumpsterlid on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:39PM (#32603097)
Exactly when I see a pickup drive by that that is dented or scratched up and has a bunch of shit in the back... ya know is a vehicle that has been used for stuff a truck makes sense for and I think that is great. (These trucks are usually smaller trucks too like rangers and s10)

99% of trucks are not that these days and that may be being generous.

Also... spend half the money on a beater truck and the other half on a civic so you dont take up the whole damn road on your commute to your office job and kill me when your comically oversized vehicles rides over mine in a car crash. I am tired of seeing $70,000 trucks without a scratch on them being used like they are a commuter sedan, its selfish and stupid.

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by kuhewa on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:45AM (#32591549)
Crocs were very much a fashion trend in 2021.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by FabHK on Thursday August 25, 2022 @06:34AM (#32591870)
The I hate Crocs blog was most active in 2007/2008.

http://ihatecrocsblog.blogspot.com

Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by kuhewa on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:42AM (#32592938)
I'm probably missing your point, but I don't mean in the sense of them being a common type of footwear, I mean they were on runways, worn by celebrities, etc. https://www.whowhatwear.co.uk/crocs-shoes/slide4
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by FabHK on Thursday August 25, 2022 @02:19PM (#32597803)
My point was just that they definitely were a thing 15 years back. Whether they're more fashionable now or then: no idea, neither do I care much :-)
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by kuhewa on Thursday August 25, 2022 @06:36PM (#32600844)
Ah. I forgive myself for not parsing the point made because that is a non sequitur
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by lupire on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:22AM (#32593365)
Point was that 2021 fashion was rerun of a past trend.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by kuhewa on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:31AM (#32593466)
Sure, but there's nothing new under the sun. And ironic fashion is still fashion.
Re:The end of the manual transmission is near? by M3L0NM4N on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:18AM (#32591029)
That's false, and so is your metaphor.