> In retrospect I realize most of the issue was the frameworks available and all the terrible configuration stuff.

Also that Java’s type system is… not great.

So you have to put in a lot of effort (especially if it was before java 8, to say nothing of Java 5) and you just… don’t get much out of it.

Even more so given the syntactic overhead of defining java types before records (or without Lombok), to say nothing of the performance cost.