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Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @04:42PM (#32585459)
> akin to an hiv infected person exercising the freedom of having non consensual unprotected sex

I think the voluntarily (EDIT: polio) unvaccinated are misled or idiots, but this is a bad comparison. Non-consensual sex is violence. Full stop. We can start arguing that giving people an infectious disease is like violence, or this or that, mais ceci n'est pas une pipe.

What it is analogous to is getting "stranded after driving around barricades to enter a flooded stretch of roadway" [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupid_motorist_law

Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @05:08PM (#32585780)
> What it is analogous to is getting "stranded after driving around barricades to enter a flooded stretch of roadway"

Kind of? But in this case somehow the driver is driving a bus, or their car is pulling other cars in due to gravity, or something? A motorist who ends up on a flooded motorway endangers themselves and some first responders - which yes, is dumb, but after that initial ripple it doesn't continue to propagate the problem to other people. You can't spread car stranding.

Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by thrown_22 on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @07:48PM (#32587452)
Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by SketchySeaBeast on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:30AM (#32592824)
That's not a flooded road.
Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by t0bia_s on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @06:06PM (#32586415)
My body, my choice. Do you agree?
Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by jasonlotito on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @07:40PM (#32587369)
Yes. But if my choice involves pulling a trigger on a gun, then "My body, my choice" means little here should that bullet hit someone innocent.

What's more interesting is the efforts the conservatives in the US have done to deny people their rights in this regard. And I'm not even talking about abortion. Conservatives have worked extra hard to deny Americans their rights when it comes to vaccinations and their private lives.

It's a real shame.

Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by t0bia_s on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:31AM (#32590719)
But if my choice involves pulling a trigger on a gun, then "My body, my choice" means little here should that bullet hit someone innocent.

Is unborn baby innocent?

Conservatives have worked extra hard to deny Americans their rights when it comes to vaccinations and their private lives.

Example?

Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by logic_beats_pro on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:02AM (#32589721)
Did you mean Liberals on that 2nd to last sentence?
Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @06:36PM (#32586725)
> My body, my choice. Do you agree?

Broadly speaking, yes. The narrow point here is on how to deal with choices that hurt others.

On the prescriptive side, we could foreclose that choice. That's mandatory vaccination. On the reactive side, we can assign liability. That's the point of my analogy.

Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by mbg721 on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @11:34PM (#32589166)
Wasn't eugenicists' argument in the 20th century that the unfit were hurting others in society by breeding, and later by existing?
Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by uwagar on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @09:17PM (#32588145)
i cannot believe one says this when its well established that the vaccinated can get and transmit covid.

until u could prove that majority of infections are caused by the unvaxxed, both of your prescriptions are tyrannical.

Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @09:55PM (#32588466)
> cannot believe one says this when its well established that the vaccinated can get and transmit covid

We're discussing polio. Not Covid.

Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by uwagar on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:10AM (#32592618)
doesnt matter. show that an infection was caught from unvaccinated vs vaccinated. applies to polio or covid. only when u have sterilising immunity from vaccination could u mandate vaccinations or worse apply liability on the unvaxxed.
Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by JumpCrisscross on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:10AM (#32593937)
> only when u have sterilising immunity from vaccination

That’s the point. We have sterilising polio vaccines.

Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by t0bia_s on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:08PM (#32598503)
How you know that? How is possible that we still have virus in population?
Re:Spate of polio outbreaks worldwide puts scientists on alert by uwagar on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:14AM (#32593976)
the ideology of mandating and punishing unvaxxed has got a shot in the arm since covid.