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Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by bobthepanda on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:48PM (#32573642)
> So this shouldn't affect the possibility of moving to areas that have decent schools.

It doesn't, but how much cheap land in Goldilocks-type areas really exists? The housing price problem is already becoming national in scale.

> It doesn't have to be a huge influx, nor all at once.

That ship sailed a long time ago. It already is. It turns out 1% of Californians leaving annually is still half a million people swarming other places. You cannot run into a town in the Mountain West or PNW where locals aren't complaining about Californians driving up prices. Encouraging more people to do this is going to exacerbate the problem.

> Shops aren't as much of a concern today with internet delivery.

There's still a baseline. To use your example of Appalachia in a different comment chain, consider that people in 40 counties in West Virginia today are food deserts without easy access to fresh food. Instacart is more expensive and not available everywhere.

https://www.wvpublic.org/podcast/inside-appalachia/2015-10-0...

Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by giantg2 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:22PM (#32573914)
"It doesn't, but how much cheap land in Goldilocks-type areas really exists?"

That's my point - it doesn't have to be perfect. Otherwise nothing will solve it.

"Encouraging more people to do this is going to exacerbate the problem."

They should be moving to places that are shrinking. That's what I'm suggesting.

That food desert thing is a joke. They're talking about supermarkets, yet there are other sources like farm stands. 10 rural miles is nothing. That might be a 10-15 minute trip if you've ever driven in WV and seen the speeds people drive.

Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by notch656a on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @11:59PM (#32574826)
As someone who has wanted to desperately build on "goldilocks" land for a long time, the thing that has held me up is not zoning but the uniform building code. I simply only have enough money to build a shack. There are plenty of these out in the West, but at some point someone said "nah fuck them kids" and decided great-grandaddies shack is fine for somebodies grandkid to live in but if I build new property of literally the same thing I've committed a cardinal sin of safety. This means even though a shack would still be cheap to build, their supply is artificially limited (indeed irreplaceable) to the point a shack is practically as expensive to buy "used" as a fully up to code newer construction. And thus again I am cast aside, doomed to rent some overbuilt up-to-code construction.
Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by giantg2 on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @07:22AM (#32577868)
There's the option of a tiny home on wheels. Most states have low sqft requirements for permanent structures, like 650 sqft. If you do the work yourself using professionally created plans, it's possible to do it cheaply and in stages. Once the shell of the house is complete, finishing the inside can be done cheaply by buying discount materials whenever they are available. This is stuff like returned paint and carpet or vinyl remnants (perfect for a small house with small rooms). You can even make a list and ask the local Lowes manager to give you a call if stuff is available. Then there's stuff like Craigslist for free or cheap sinks, counters, furniture, etc.

The biggest issue/cost isn't the actual building codes, as those are easy to meet in most places. It's the sanitation requirements. Those old shacks were allowed to have outhouses, or at least septic systems that would no longer pass. Septic systems are a pain to put in and are quite expensive.

Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by notch656a on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @11:50AM (#32581053)
It's a good point. The other idea I had was creating multiple <200 sq ft structures, so that none of them met the minimum area required for a permit and then using an outdoor hallway to join them.
Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by bobthepanda on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @12:25PM (#32581728)
> That's my point - it doesn't have to be perfect. Otherwise nothing will solve it.

> They should be moving to places that are shrinking. That's what I'm suggesting.

And we're back to "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink."

> That food desert thing is a joke. They're talking about supermarkets, yet there are other sources like farm stands. 10 rural miles is nothing. That might be a 10-15 minute trip if you've ever driven in WV and seen the speeds people drive.

* Supermarkets in the US provide all kinds of out-of-season produce throughout the year. This is what consumers have come to expect, and is an inherent limitation of farm stands.

* Those most struggling with COL also struggle with the cost of transportation in the US, so driving a dozen miles is a non-starter.