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Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by imtringued on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @04:30PM (#32571051)
The Soviet Union seems to have failed that game by collapsing through external debt.
Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by MichaelCollins on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @05:18PM (#32571656)
The Soviet Union accrued massive debt due to internal production inefficiencies caused by corruption and mismanagement. Russia has extraordinary natural resources, by all rights they should be one of the most wealthy countries on earth.
Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by WalterBright on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @05:33PM (#32571851)
The same goes for South America. Yet they remain mired in poverty thanks to their predilection for socialism.
Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by trs8080 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @06:12PM (#32572283)
Actually they remain mired in poverty largely because the US keeps meddling in their affairs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

So it's more like "they remain mired in poverty because of the United States' predilection for predatory capitalism."

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by relativ575 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:32PM (#32573527)
Notice how on that list none of South America countries appear after 1990s? Venezuela has been hostile to the US, yet they are still there. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia have elected socialism-leaning governments multiple times during the last 30 years. Not to mention Nicaragua or Mexico, that are not considered South America. Colombia is the latest example. So they are poor because of US meddling, and not even a tiny part due to their policies? You have to try harder if you want to blame their issues on the US.
Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by trs8080 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @08:50PM (#32573656)
> Notice how on that list none of South America countries appear after 1990s?

This is regime change /that we know about/. Intelligence agencies haven't made a huge habit of discussing their covert successes.

> Venezuela has been hostile to the US, yet they are still there.

Yes, because the international response would be quite severe if the US decided to what - destroy Venezuela?

Foreign occupations and coups decimate countries who then have to deal with the effects for generations. The new regime is usually beholden to the powers that put it there (or the old one has to abide by the occupier's demands), permanently crippling the government or the economy or both. Many countries continue to suffer under the conditions created by their overthrowers, so maybe they share some blame but it's largely the longlasting effects of foreign incursions.

> You have to try harder if you want to blame their issues on the US.

It's really not that difficult to understand cause and effect here. If you destroy a country's economy, divide its people, cripple it's infrastructure, and install an authoritarian government, it's going to take a long time to recover.

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by WalterBright on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @09:50PM (#32574090)
> that we know about

I.e. there's no evidence.

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by ChuckNorris89 on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @12:46AM (#32575109)
>I.e. there's no evidence.

It's not like the CIA likes to document its dark-ops in Latin Am. on wikipedia as proof for you.

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by _kbh_ on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @09:32AM (#32579218)
> It's not like the CIA likes to document its dark-ops in Latin Am. on wikipedia as proof for you.

This is still not proof of anything happening, just because someone wants something to be true doesn't make it so.

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by WalterBright on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @10:28PM (#32574297)
How about this:

"Argentina’s Long Road to Ruin A century’s worth of corruption and leftist politics devastated this once-rich nation."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/argentinas-long-road-to-ruin-hy...

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by trs8080 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @10:48PM (#32574418)
Yes, the US had its hand in Argentina as well - they supported the violent military junta that saw Peron overthrown and leftist journalists and activists murdered by the thousands during the Dirty War. When I was studying there, the family I stayed with had relatives who had been abducted and "disappeared," which was such a widespread phenomenon under the right wing government that they have a name: "Los Desaparecidos". Here's a Wikipedia article about how the CIA contributed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor#Argentina

Also, your article is unfortunately paywalled, but an op-ed from someone at the WSJ isn't going to change my mind.

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by WalterBright on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @11:25PM (#32574643)
> Operation Condor

ended 40 years ago. The article I cited is today.

> but an op-ed from someone at the WSJ isn't going to change my mind

Not very open-minded to close your mind to something you haven't read. Do you know what is happening to Argentina today?

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by TomSwirly on Wednesday August 24, 2022 @05:34AM (#32576998)
https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2021/why-would-the-wall-s...

I'm no liberal. And I used to read the Wall Street Journal every day before Murdoch.

Now it's a pack of lies all the time.

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by 6t6t6t6 on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @06:40PM (#32572541)
Exactly. They should know better and vote for governments that are aligned with the US government's interests, so they don't need to go through a CIA-sponsored coup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by fractallyte on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @07:26PM (#32572930)
Much of that poverty has its roots way back in the time of the Conquistadors and the generations of Spanish and Portuguese families that looted the riches of the Inca empire.

The descendants of those families still have huge wealth and influence in South America.

Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by WalterBright on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @11:26PM (#32574653)
The wealth generated by free markets has no need of Inca wealth.
Re:Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costin... by groby_b on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @04:48PM (#32571265)
The game has never been to make money for the country, or the government.

And IIRC, a lot of people in power in the USSR made a lot of money out of the collapse of the USSR.

Heck, there's some mid-level KGB dude who made $200 billion off it.