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Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by idiotsecant on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @02:42PM (#32569286)
the insane mortgage rates we saw in the last few years really are going to be a generational redistribution of wealth that we'll talk about for the next century, I think. That might have been the last train out of town for the middle class to widely own housing in a lot of cases.
Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by kasey_junk on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:25PM (#32570065)
No idea about if it’s the last train out of town but home ownership in the US is extremely high[0] (it ought to be we subsidize it like crazy).

If you go back to 1900 you see home ownership rates in the US at less than half of households[1]

The interesting thing to me is how conflated home ownership has become with housing affordability. As we’ve doubled the numbers of home owners we’ve dramatically removed the options for housing.

[0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RHORUSQ156N

[1] https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/dec/coh-owner...

Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:24PM (#32570046)
People have been making this argument since 1990.

The Federal Reserve MANDATES that consumer prices go up 2% per year. If house prices ever go down, they'll be there - waiting - to pump them up.

Prices will rarely ever go down substantially for a long period of time unless the Fed completely changes (I doubt it).

You can either:

1) try to time the market (difficult in housing, I'd argue not as impossible as equitities)

2) buy into the bubble

3) hope that the US basically turns into a different country

4) be ruined financially by missing out on the biggest handout in the history of the world (the 30-year fixed negative real interest rate mortgage)

Pick your poison.

Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by notch656a on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:42PM (#32570342)
Housing prices exploded to compensate for the negative real interest rates. The people who got the handouts were rich people who owned multiple houses and sold them off. For the most part others didn't get that hot of a deal. In effect it was a regressive tax that the poor paid for the rich by paying in inflation the cost to make multi-home owners rich.
Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:54PM (#32570550)
> For the most part others didn't get that hot of a deal.

How? Dollars are worth $0.5 in 1990. Yet your mortgage payment is unchanged. Your house payment is much less.

Rents are much higher.

You won.

Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by notch656a on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @04:07PM (#32570742)
>Housing prices exploded to compensate for the negative real interest rates.

They didn't "win." They broke even. The people that sold them won. The people with no house but inflated away cash/salary lost.

Re:Investors bought a quarter of US homes sold last year by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @04:16PM (#32570861)
If your payment is massively lower than your rent would be - you won.

Someone else is allowed to win, too.

It's a zero sum game, and the only losers have been renters.

That can change if there's a massive, sustained housing crash. But I won't hold my breath for that.

I'm willing to bet, like always, house prices won't decline. The value of the dollar will decline instead (because the Fed can just easily QE until the only people that lose are renters).