Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill

Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by standardUser on Sunday August 21, 2022 @05:59PM (#32544882)

In case you're wondering, this isn't some new, zany California thing. It's a policy that's been used in big cities throughout the Western world and it both directly saves human lives by preventing overdoses and the spread of disease, but also puts drug abusers into frequent contact with people and services that can help them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervised_injection_site

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Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by timnetworks on Sunday August 21, 2022 @06:26PM (#32545115)

Part of the Supervision package, including Supervised Release for Supervised Petty Theft. It's like Newsom is doing this because he bet someone that he could.

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Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by newaccount2021 on Sunday August 21, 2022 @06:24PM (#32545106)

The site in SF is closing because the reality is nothing like the social engineering utopia you describe.

Every service offered has only resulted in increased use, increased homelessness.

Safe injection will increase drug use, destroy communities, increase crime.

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Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by chizhik-pyzhik on Sunday August 21, 2022 @08:57PM (#32546095)

The research disagrees with you here. A 2021 review of past studies indicated that on average crime decreased in the areas near a safe injection site and people more often took up addiction treatment. https://sci-hub.st/10.1016/j.amepre.2021.04.017

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Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by cavisne on Sunday August 21, 2022 @09:22PM (#32546257)

The paper actually claims crime didn't increase (which is different to decreasing). Some of the studies they surveyed at saw a decrease in crime.

In the US it's obvious to anyone with eyes that cities that encourage/support drug use have a much worse environment (SF, LA, Seattle). Drug users are literally given free rides by neighboring areas into these cities.

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Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by throwaway0a5e on Monday August 22, 2022 @06:50AM (#32549705)

I don't think it's the drugs. I think there's societal norms (some of which will get expressed via public policy, many don't) that the people who vote to legalize drugs bring with them that are a necessary perquisite for widespread petty crime.

Even cities known for being "rough" at their peak during the crack epidemic didn't have the brazen broad daylight property theft that plagues certain cities today. There's something about.

Heck, even today I don't think you could just break into a car and start stealing shit in a bad part of St. Louis without exposing yourself to some serious occupational hazards from passers by. It seems like on the west coast (and a couple places out east too) the biggest risk you run is people whipping out their phones and filming you.

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Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by rnk on Monday August 22, 2022 @01:24AM (#32547668)

If those other areas didn't export their drug users to the big cities, what would the situation be in the big cities? It's like if drinking was only allowed in New Orleans, wouldn't all the drunks and abusers of alcohol go there? That doesn't mean that drinking creates that problem. People take other drugs already.

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Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by chizhik-pyzhik on Sunday August 21, 2022 @10:57PM (#32546809)

I'd love to see a study correlating drug tolerance with a worse environment. Until then, this sounds like conjecture. (good point about the crime decreasing vs staying the same, though, I missed that nuance)

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Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by standardUser on Sunday August 21, 2022 @07:10PM (#32545420)

Can you elaborate on the "social engineering utopia" I allegedly described? Sounds intriguing.

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Re:Gavin Newsom’s Next Political Test Is an Injection-Site Bill by sitkack on Sunday August 21, 2022 @07:37PM (#32545612)

Don't feed the trolls.

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