Re:John Carmack's new AGI company, Keen Technologies, has ra...
by sigmoid10 on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:28PM
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Yeah, I'm definitely not saying this is already the ultimate solution. But if you look at their scaling experiments and extrapolate the results, it roughly shows how a model with number of parameters on the same order of magnitude as the human brain could more or less achieve overall human level performance. Of course that doesn't mean the architecture has to extrapolate, but it's definitely a path worth walking unless someone proves it's a dead end. In that case I'd replace "end of decade" with 10 to 20 years in my above statement.
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Re:John Carmack's new AGI company, Keen Technologies, has ra...
by godelski on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:36PM
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Except it is pretty naive to extrapolate like that. A high order polynomial looks flat if you zoom in enough. You can't extrapolate far beyond what you have empirical data for without potentially running into huge problems.
Re:John Carmack's new AGI company, Keen Technologies, has ra...
by sigmoid10 on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:45PM
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How do you know what the function looks like? Unless someone shows that this scaling behaviour breaks down, it is definitely worth pursuing, since the possible benefits are obvious. Everyone who just says it will break down eventually is almost certainly right, but this is also a completely trivial and worthless prediction by itself. The important distinction is that noone knows where the breakdown happens. And from what we can tell today, it's not even close.
Re:John Carmack's new AGI company, Keen Technologies, has ra...
by godelski on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:55PM
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I think your viewpoint is the more naive one and I think you have the burden of proof to argue why local trends are representative of global trends. This is because the non-local argument accepts a wider range of possibilities and the local argument is the the more specific one. Think of it this way, I'm saying that every function looks linear given the right perspective and you're arguing that a particular function _is_ linear. I'm arguing that we don't know that. The burden of proof would be on you to prove that this function were linear beyond what we have data for. (Path towards HLI doesn't have to be linear, exponential, nor logarithmic but you do have to make a pretty strong argument to convince others that the local trend is generalizable).
Re:John Carmack's new AGI company, Keen Technologies, has ra...
by sigmoid10 on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:05PM
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You are arguing completely beside the original point. Gato was just meant as one surprising example out of many to show how much more the architectures we already have today are capable of. Whether you believe how the scaling curve for this very particular model will work in detail is totally irrelevant to me or anyone else and I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I was just pointing out that there is a clear direction for future research and if you think people like Carmack are on the wrong path - so be it. You don't have to pursue it as well. But I don't care and he certainly doesn't either.
Re:John Carmack's new AGI company, Keen Technologies, has ra...
by godelski on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:24PM
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I understood your argument, in the context of the discussion we've been having, that Gato was a good example of us being on a good path towards building intelligent machines. I do not think Gato demonstrates that.
Re:John Carmack's new AGI company, Keen Technologies, has ra...
by idontpost on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:27PM
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You're missing the point.
The point isn't that we can or cannot extrapolate. The point is that it is worth investigating to see if the trend line holds up.
Re:John Carmack's new AGI company, Keen Technologies, has ra...
by godelski on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:35PM
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I think it is pretty disingenuous to read my comments as not wanting to investigate. I definitely do. I did say I'm an ML researcher and I do want to see HLI in my lifetime. But I also think we should invest in other directions as well.