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Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by susam on Friday August 19, 2022 @04:29AM (#32518675)
The log book entry that says, "First actual case of bug being found", indeed always seemed like a piece of humour to me. The presence of the word "actual" in the entry makes sense only if the term "bug" to mean defects is already established in the industry. If this log book entry really were the first time a bug was found in a computer, it would have merely said, "a bug was found", not "first actual case of bug".

Imagine a world where there is no Python programming language. One day you arrive at your office and find a python (the reptile) on your desk. You would probably say, "found a python at my desk". But if that were to happen today, I am sure pictures of it would be taken and circulated within the team with captions like, "An actual Python workspace".

The presence of the word "actual" is the clue that the term is well established in the engineering world and that it is an attempt at humour.

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by pingpongrandom on Friday August 19, 2022 @06:52AM (#32519473)
Yep, nobody got presented awards for the "First World War".
Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by phire on Friday August 19, 2022 @07:11AM (#32519602)
People did actually start calling WW1 "The first world war" long before WW2 started. There is even few instances of that terminology going back to 1914.

They were pessimistic there would be more.

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by Narretz on Friday August 19, 2022 @07:29AM (#32519721)
Couldn't it also have been called "First World War" because it was the first war where fighting happened

- over multiple continents - with huge number of countries participating - at the same time - as part of the same conflict

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by jcranmer on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:45AM (#32520295)
Arguably, that honor goes to the Seven Years' War, which saw significant fighting both in Europe and in North America.

The French Revolutionary Wars/Napoleonic Wars were equally grand in scale, and conducted at a time when the "world" for all practical purposes included only European powers--all of the major ones got involved in those conflicts at one point or another; even the newly-independent US got peripherally involved (the War of 1812 is partially started due to the effects the Napoleonic Wars had on US shipping).

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by nyokodo on Saturday August 20, 2022 @03:13AM (#32529950)
> when the "world" for all practical purposes included only European powers

The United States, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, and Australia all entered the war.

There were significant theaters of the war in Africa and the Middle East.

China was initially neutral in WWI but did eventually declare support for the Entente and sent 140,000 laborers to Europe. [1]

Brazil entered the war after losing ships to German U boats. [2]

Over a million Indian troops participated. [3]

Thailand, New Guinea, and Samoa were involved [4]

And I’m just scratching the surface. The very worst fighting was concentrated in the industrial meat grinders of the front lines in Europe but there was significant participation from all corners of the earth. It earned the name “World War.”

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_during_World_War_I

2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_during_World_War_I

3. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Army_during_World_War...

4. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_and_Pacific_theatre_of...

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by dataflow on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:10AM (#32520527)
> when the "world" for all practical purposes included only European powers

Why though? I think even China alone had almost as large a population in 1800 (300M) as the US does right now so I'm confused what this is supposed to mean? Japan also had some 30M, Russia 35M. (I haven't checked other countries.)

We're defining "the world" in 1800 to be "European powers" so that we can claim the first world war was actually before World War I?

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by jcranmer on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:44AM (#32520858)
Sorry, I should have clarified further. This is "world" in terms of European political discourse--as far as Europe was concerned, if you weren't a European power (and Russia most certainly was a European power), you weren't really a country worth caring about, just fodder for imperialism and colonization.
Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by dataflow on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:49AM (#32520908)
Okay sure I guess, but what is this meant to imply? Even taking it at face value, this clearly still didn't cause Europe to call that war the first World War, so what conclusion are we drawing from this?
Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by neffy on Friday August 19, 2022 @10:52AM (#32521745)
Ferdinand Foch (French WW1 general) called the Versailles treaty a 20 year armistice in 1919. He thought the treaty was too lenient.
Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by drewcoo on Friday August 19, 2022 @12:15PM (#32522888)
I remember seeing more The Great War or The War to End Wars in post-WWI docs and media. Wikipedia says yes, it was WWI soon after the war, but that wasn't common yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I#Names

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by SilasX on Friday August 19, 2022 @10:43AM (#32521602)
Interesting. I had to look that up, and apparently a Lt Col called it that in his 1920 memoirs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I#Names

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by rg111 on Friday August 19, 2022 @02:59PM (#32524815)
In my experience, it was always "The Great War".
Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by Borrible on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:12AM (#32520538)
Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by coldacid on Friday August 19, 2022 @10:51AM (#32521722)
Pessimistic, but not wrong.
Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by psychphysic on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:44AM (#32520849)
"World War I" would have been a better example.

That only made sense after WWII.

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Friday August 19, 2022 @10:12AM (#32521174)
or for the First Battle of Bull Run during the Civil War.
Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by SilasX on Friday August 19, 2022 @10:38AM (#32521549)
Yes! IIRC there was an Encyclopedia Brown[1] case where he unmasks a fraudulent Civil War relic that had the inscription "for the First Battle of Bull Run", on the grounds that no one at the time would have called it the "First".

[1] Kid-detective series where the titular character, Leroy "Encyclopedia" Brown, solves crimes by finding inconsistencies that require domain knowledge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_Brown

Re:The story of the first “computer bug” is a pile of lies by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Friday August 19, 2022 @10:56AM (#32521783)
Yeah, it was the “Case of the Civil War Sword”.

https://brownencyclopedia.tumblr.com/post/13020192322/the-ca...