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Re:I have complicated feelings about TDD by ipaddr on Thursday August 18, 2022 @03:03PM (#32513567)
It usually works out like..

  form a belief about a requirement
  write a test
  test fails
  write code
  test fails
  add debug info to code
  test fails no debug showing
  call code directly and see debug code
  change assert
  test fails
  rewrite test
  test succeed
  output test class data.. false 
  positive checking null equals null
  rewrite test
  test passes
  forget original purpose and stare at green passing tests with pride.
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Re:I have complicated feelings about TDD by xxs on Thursday August 18, 2022 @06:02PM (#32515418)
> add debug info to code

On a more serious note: just learn to use a debugger, and add asserts, if need be. To me TDD only helps having something that would run your code - but that's pretty much it. If you have other test harness options, I fail to see the benefits outside conference talks and books authoring.

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Re:I have complicated feelings about TDD by pmarreck on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:16PM (#32609325)
my professional opinion is that having to resort to a debugger is a bad-design, bad-testing code smell
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