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Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by sneak on Thursday August 18, 2022 @01:46AM (#32505751)
exponential has come into popular usage to mean “really high”, i.e. not exponential. I frequently see it used to refer to single values that aren’t even in a time series, or in comparison to one single previous value (“exponentially higher”) when that is, of course, a mathematical impossibility.

It’s similar to how unconscious is now commonly used to mean subconscious (i.e. not unconscious) and literally is commonly used to mean not literally.

It troubles me that our specific words are getting watered down by pop usage, like sharp tools being blunted. This is different than my usual prescriptivist screeching.

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by dllthomas on Thursday August 18, 2022 @02:06AM (#32505878)
> It troubles me that our specific words are getting watered down by pop usage

This is not a new phenomenon; I think we've been able to cope in the past by either clarifying precision by context or adopting new words with the precision we need until they get watered down as well.

> literally is commonly used to mean not literally

I realize at least one dictionary disagrees with me, but I think that's a mistaken analysis of the phenomena. Literally is quite frequently used as an intensifier even when the utterance is meant figuratively, but if it were left out the utterance would not be intended or interpreted as more literal.

I think what is happening is that "literally" is being used as hyperbole, much like any other bit of English can be. It doesn't mean "not literally" in the same way that when someone says "you left me waiting for days" we don't say "days sometimes means minutes" and fret about how anyone will ever measure time again; we rather say that people sometimes exaggerate. None of this, of course, should prevent you from objecting to this use of "literally" on stylistic grounds, or from objecting to individual confusing utterances of any sort.

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by mrguyorama on Thursday August 18, 2022 @11:10AM (#32510767)
Also the "literally" one is way older than people realize, being from at least the 19th century

https://www.dictionary.com/e/figuratively-literally/

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by dllthomas on Thursday August 18, 2022 @01:51PM (#32512781)
Right, basically from the very beginning, which IMO supports my position that it's an ordinary use of the same meaning of the word rather than a change in the meaning of the word.
Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by eru on Thursday August 18, 2022 @01:53AM (#32505794)
I suspect that is the case here. Though I had hoped that there would be some interesting mathematical model that Shaburn had in mind, because they mentioned something about rates:

> Given the rate of mutation and transmission in bugs with natural gestation and migration, the probability of catastrophic outcomes is exponential without a similar dataset in other human food sources.

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by robocat on Thursday August 18, 2022 @03:17AM (#32506344)
> how unconscious is now commonly used

Freud and Jung used the term unconscious (das Unbewusste) - it is probably not a recent trend.

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by eru on Thursday August 18, 2022 @05:00AM (#32507025)
They used the German terms. Are you arguing about early translations?

Basically, just because the words are constructed the same, doesn't mean you can translate one direct part-by-part into the other.

For a similar example of the principle that logical structure doesn't translate naively one-for-one:

"Du darfst schlafen." <-> "You may sleep."

"Du musst schlafen." <-> "You must sleep."

"Du darfst nicht schlafen." <-> "You must not sleep."

"Du musst nicht schlafen." <-> "You may not sleep." [Though this last one is ambiguous in English.]

Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by selimthegrim on Thursday August 18, 2022 @10:30AM (#32510163)
Dare is a model verb too in English
Re:Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases... by selimthegrim on Thursday August 18, 2022 @12:55PM (#32512140)
*semi-modal (I meant to type modal originally), but not originally a cognate with dürfen.