Re:Neutrino experiment affirms faster-than-light claim
by sliverstorm on Thursday November 17, 2011 @10:39PM
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I seem to remember when that theory was discussed, it was explained that GPS clocks already take into account relativistic motion. Or something like that, don't quote me, I'm not a physicist.
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Re:Neutrino experiment affirms faster-than-light claim
by Confusion on Friday November 18, 2011 @02:47AM
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I am a physicist and GPS indeed takes relativistic effects into account. GPS would not just be slightly wrong if it didn't: it would be entirely worthless. See for example [1].
[1] http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps....
Re:Neutrino experiment affirms faster-than-light claim
by jahnu on Friday November 18, 2011 @07:21AM
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Fun fact: When designing the original system there was disbelief amongst some involved that the relativistic effects were either real or relevant so they built in a switch to be able to remotely disable those parts of the calculations. They never did disable them.
Re:Neutrino experiment affirms faster-than-light claim
by Angostura on Friday November 18, 2011 @07:43AM
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Actually, that gose down as the funnest fact that I've learned for at least a month, so thank you.
Re:Neutrino experiment affirms faster-than-light claim
by jahnu on Friday November 18, 2011 @08:32AM
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I don't remember for sure but I think I learned that from one of these lectures...
"Particle Physics for Non-Physicists: A Tour of the Microcosmos"
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/tgc/courses/course_detail.asp...
Re:Neutrino experiment affirms faster-than-light claim
by nobody31415926 on Friday November 18, 2011 @12:29AM
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GPS onboard clock is corrected for relativity due to it's orbit height and speed so it's clock time is approximately correct
But measuring the simultaneity of an event between two different points with a moving clock is a lot trick.
Re:Neutrino experiment affirms faster-than-light claim
by bermanoid on Friday November 18, 2011 @02:17AM
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That might have been an issue if they were measuring anything with the satellite clocks.
But they weren't. By my understanding, they were merely using the satellite signals to synchronize the ground clocks in the ground frame, and after that was done, the satellite's were never heard from again.
Re:Neutrino experiment affirms faster-than-light claim
by nobody31415926 on Friday November 18, 2011 @11:16PM
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Synchronizing two clocks in different positions is very difficult since relativity always comes in as you are moving a third clock between them. It's essentially impossible if you don't know the gravity field encountered by the moving clock.