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Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by goodpoint on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @12:03PM (#32498111)
Almost never. Housing has always been a basic necessity for survival.

Only when feudal societies developed you had landlords and serfs and that's hardly something to be proud about.

Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by horsawlarway on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @12:20PM (#32498329)
> feudal societies developed

Sooo... the last thousand some years, given that feudalism was widespread by the 11th century (and housing was absolutely an investment before that). Basically - half of recorded history (~400bc for Europe), and longer than the United States has existed.

I don't understand what you think this comment means...

Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by goodpoint on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @03:06PM (#32500373)
Please refresh your memory around the topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#History

> and housing was absolutely an investment before that

..and don't make absurd generalizations. Humanity is way older that the middle ages, and hundreds of different cultures existed around the world even during the middle ages.

Very few had the concept of investment and the idea a house has a monetary value that grows significantly over time was simply unheard.

> longer than the United States has existed.

Imperial units are bad but measuring history in united-states is even worse. The US is not even 250 years old.

> I don't understand what you think this comment means...

I can see that.

Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by horsawlarway on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @03:11PM (#32500440)
Ok - well have a good one. You aren't helping yourself here, and I don't think we'll have a productive conversation.
Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by goodpoint on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @04:01PM (#32501034)
Same here.
Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by finiteseries on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @12:48PM (#32498706)
- The last thousand some years (in Europe)

- Widespread (in Europe)

- Half of recorded (European) history

An exclusively European phenomenon, the bulk of which came and went while it was a backwater region with limited effect on the rest of the world.

Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by tristor on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @01:11PM (#32499021)
> An exclusively European phenomenon, the bulk of which came and went while it was a backwater region with limited effect on the rest of the world.

Weird that it had limited effect on the rest of the world, since basically history from now back to about the 15th century represents a European hegemony, now a US hegemony that extends European Western philosophy to the world.

Seems that "limited effect" is pretty big. So much so that we're /literally discussing it now in 2022/.

Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by finiteseries on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @01:21PM (#32499167)
The bulk of feudalism took place between the 5th and 12th centuries, ~400 years before 1491.
Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by tristor on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @01:24PM (#32499211)
Sure, and the legacy of feudalism is a core part of what informs Western philosophy and political structure since then.
Re:Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s proble... by finiteseries on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @01:47PM (#32499504)
Yes. Its post 1492* relevance through its legacy now established, we revolve back to the point:

- The last thousand some years (in Europe)

- Widespread (in Europe)

- Half of recorded (European) history

You may have misread my original comment, the “limited effect” was to describe Europe’s influence at that particular point in time, not feudalism/Europe’s influence since then.