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Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by Maursault on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @11:00PM (#32491801)
> Private and privacy don't have the same meaning, and one does not imply the other.

These two words have the same root and etymology. The adjective "private" is transformed into a noun using the abstract noun suffix, "cy," to become "privacy." These two words have the same word root dressed as different parts of speech.

Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by anyfoo on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @11:13PM (#32491886)
Of course they have the same root and etymology. Of course they do not have the same meaning, look them up in the dictionary. A private parking spot is not a privacy parking spot.
Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by Maursault on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @03:49PM (#32500883)
They are strongly associated, and the definitions are related. One can not have a private conversation without privacy, and when seeking privacy it is exclusively to do something in private. Contrary to previous claims, one implies the other.

The argument that privacy doesn't mean private, and vice versa, in regards to the meaning any of the letters in acronyms is specious, such as, the word private in VPN does not mean that you will have privacy, because, in fact, any transfer of data between the VPN nodes will be kept private from the Internet at large, thus the transfer is in privacy.

The fallacy you and OP committed (if you are not OP, didn't check) is known as the appeal to definition.

Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by anyfoo on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @08:02PM (#32503463)
> One can not have a private conversation without privacy, and when seeking privacy it is exclusively to do something in private.

One can have a private parking spot without privacy, though. Or a private pilot license.

> any transfer of data between the VPN nodes will be kept private from the Internet at large, thus the transfer is in privacy

Not if your VPN is not encrypted, which exists, although it isn't very common anymore, for obvious reasons.

The IP address "10.1.1.1" is still part of IANA's private IP address space, no matter whether it is transported in a way (say using an unecrypted tunnel over the public Internet) that provides privacy or not.

Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by Maursault on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:50AM (#32520335)
> One can have a private parking spot without privacy, though. Or a private pilot license.

This is equivocating between two distinct and separate definitions of "private." You are mixing these homonyms.

In the sense you're using in the quote I pulled from your comment, it means intended for or restricted to the use of a particular person, group, or class, but in the sense that it is used in Virtual Private Network, it means something else, namely not known or intended to be known publicly; secret.

Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by anyfoo on Friday August 19, 2022 @04:53PM (#32525800)
Settling that question was the entire discussion you butted into. I quoted an RFC from the late 90s that shows what meaning of "private" was originally intended, while you seem to a priori assume what "private" means here.

> in the sense that it is used in Virtual Private Network, it means something else, namely not known or intended to be known publicly; secret.

Great. Present some evidence or stop wasting time. My evidence that it actually does not mean that is RFC2547.

Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by Maursault on Friday August 19, 2022 @10:22PM (#32528410)
> My evidence that it actually does not mean that is RFC2547.

RFC2547 does not support your claim... anywhere.

I'll use Webster's definitions for my evidence. Also, every explanation of what VPN is everywhere on the Internet speaks of anonymity and privacy. This means the P in VPN could only mean free from public attention, secret and NOT for the use of a particular person or group, as in private parking.

Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by anyfoo on Friday August 19, 2022 @11:13PM (#32528688)
RFC2547 supports my claim that a VPN does not imply privacy. There is only one mention of "encryption", and it's called out as optional:

   A security-conscious VPN user might want to ensure that some or all
   of the packets which traverse the backbone are authenticated and/or
   encrypted.
Webster's definition of a VPN is (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/VPN):

    a private computer network that functions over a public network
A private network at the time was defined according to RFC1918. It also provides the motivation for private networks/the private IP address space, which was growth, not privacy/secrecy.

It's a happy coincidence that you can sell a "Virtual Private Network" to endusers as a privacy-enhancing machination, given that it already contains the word "Private", even if that was meant as in private parking space, not private conversation.

Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by Maursault on Saturday August 20, 2022 @08:22AM (#32531493)
You've turned me around. I am convinced. Well done.
Re:VPNs on iOS are a scam by astrange on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @12:21AM (#32492313)
This reminds me of the people who think public companies (traded on the stock market) are publicly owned (part of the government) and so want the First Amendment to apply to getting banned from Facebook.