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Re:Second-Order Thinking by OJFord on Monday August 15, 2022 @07:17AM (#32468249)
'order' has many meanings in mathematics, and I'm not sure of the best metaphor that is actually called an order there, but when people talk colloquially about 'second order effects' etc. IME they mean something like a vertex v2 (doing something) in response to a change to v1, where there exists a vertex vj and edges (v1, vj) & (vj, v2) - and implicitly no edge (v1, v2). Higher 'orders' similarly extending the chain.

Or think chess - 'first order thinking' would make a move that merely escapes mate, or puts you in a position where another move immediately could be a great one; 'second order thinking' considers what the opponent will do from there (probably disallow the great move or threaten it back); etc.

Re:Second-Order Thinking by js8 on Monday August 15, 2022 @07:36AM (#32468365)
IMHO, the figure of speech "n-th order" generally comes from Taylor series approximation, where n-th term is indeed expressed using n-th derivative. Also, if the series converges, the higher order terms will become smaller, thus the practice of approximating the reality up to n-th order term.

Also, it's often practical to ignore 2nd order and higher terms, because then you have a linear function - something really easy to work with. Therefore, "2nd order effects" have effectively become synonymous to "non-linear effects".

Re:Second-Order Thinking by sanderjd on Monday August 15, 2022 @07:43AM (#32468421)
I really doubt this is where "nth order" comes from colloquially.
Re:Second-Order Thinking by js8 on Monday August 15, 2022 @07:50AM (#32468481)
There are many examples in physics, for example: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/310875/second-or...
Re:Second-Order Thinking by sanderjd on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:01PM (#32478757)
Yes, but physics is not colloquial. Most people are unfamiliar with physics.
Re:Second-Order Thinking by bee_rider on Monday August 15, 2022 @10:40AM (#32470269)
This is what I've always assumed as well. The feeling of "things that usually don't matter but may explode (if it turns out the series doesn't converge)" seems to fit the expression pretty well.
Re:Second-Order Thinking by thrown_22 on Monday August 15, 2022 @07:39AM (#32468386)
Higher order functions have nothing to do with derivatives however.
Re:Second-Order Thinking by earleybird on Monday August 15, 2022 @01:24PM (#32472555)
However, regular types do: "The Derivative of a Regular Type is its Type of One-Hole Contexts"

[0] http://strictlypositive.org/diff.pdf

Re:Second-Order Thinking by cbm-vic-20 on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:21AM (#32470843)
E = mc^2 is a notable example.
Re:Second-Order Thinking by shsbdncudx on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:30PM (#32478892)
I think it’s simply order of events. If you do N, N+1 will happen
Re:Second-Order Thinking by OJFord on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @01:28AM (#32479490)
That's what I described - v1 leads to vj, which leads to v2.