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Re:Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory by blt on Sunday August 14, 2022 @09:40PM (#32464961)
Please show me a single person who is both strongly anti-racist and strongly against free community college in the USA.
Re:Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory by rayiner on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:21AM (#32465864)
I didn’t say they opposed free college. I said the folks you would expect to support free college (those left of center) have been co-opted by a version of “anti-racism” that treats acknowledging civilizational competition with China as “racist.” There’s lots of people who support free college(or at least claim to)—but not as a means to rebuild the American industrial base and get jobs back from China. They support free college, but also oppose tariffs and other America first policies.
Re:Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory by swores on Monday August 15, 2022 @05:07AM (#32467417)
What's the point of this apparent straw man? The reason the US can't / doesn't / shouldn't (not sure which, but presume you're suggesting at least one of those otherwise your comment's irrelevant) provide free college is because too many people who support they policy also support continued collaboration with China?

I don't see how that's relavent even if we set aside nuances and just agree for the sake of this topic to say that whatever your view on how relations with China should or shouldn't be is the right one.

edit: oh my bad it's not a straw man, you did create a link in your first comment it was just so tenuous I'd forgotten it.

> Because the folks who would ordinarily be advocating for free community college don’t want kids to go to school to learn those things.

So it's the fault of the left wing for not being left wing enough?

Re:Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory by rayiner on Monday August 15, 2022 @09:20AM (#32469298)
> So it's the fault of the left wing for not being left wing enough?

It’s the fault of the left wing for abandoning its traditional working class base to advance the interests of its elite donor class, which increasingly benefits from globalism.

Societies have groups with conflicting interests, and political parties represent those groups. Right wing groups will exist, and should exist, to represent the interests of businesses and upper classes. That’s not a problem. It’s a problem when left wing groups are co-opted by ideologies that causes them to turn on the working class people they are supposed to represent.

Re:Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory by UberFly on Sunday August 14, 2022 @10:58PM (#32465379)
I did actually have a lady yelling at me once at a street fair because one of our products had a "Made in the USA" tag on it. Called us imperialists. Yes those people are out there. (I'm in the US btw)
Re:Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory by sgift on Monday August 15, 2022 @06:34AM (#32467985)
In a big enough society you can almost always find someone who has some fringe belief. If you had this once a week it could be relevant. But once? Doesn't reach the relevance threshold for policy discussions.
Re:Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory by tptacek on Sunday August 14, 2022 @10:59PM (#32465385)
And they’re offended at the notion that we might want to build things in the US instead of China, because that would be racist.

No, they're not.

Re:Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory by rayiner on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:34AM (#32465933)
The Nation: https://newrepublic.com/article/144390/trumps-white-supremac...

Vox: https://www.vox.com/2019/7/3/20681384/trump-trade-agenda-rac...

I didn’t say everyone who supports free community college also thinks rebuilding the industrial base and trade wars with China are white supremacy. But there are enough people who do to divide the coalition and render it ineffectual.

Re:Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory by tptacek on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:56AM (#32466045)
On your side of the argument, you've marshaled Bryce Covert, contributing writer for The New Republic (I read it twice and I still don't know what that Zeitlin article was trying to say).

On my side of the argument, I have the President of the United States of America, and one of his first executive actions:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/management/made-in-america/

This is not a good hill to die on. Everybody thinks made-in-America is a good thing. Republicans like it. Democrats like it. Liberals like it, conservatives like it.