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Re:Cast iron leet by Swenrekcah on Saturday August 13, 2022 @08:48AM (#32449381)
A downside of non-stick pans are the unknown side effects of the non-stick substance used, though.
Re:Cast iron leet by perlgeek on Saturday August 13, 2022 @09:37AM (#32449743)
I might be concerned about teflon and similar non-stick coatings, but not really about ceramics. Humanity has been using ceramics for ages, and we haven't found any adverse affects yet.
Re:Cast iron leet by amluto on Saturday August 13, 2022 @04:32PM (#32453506)
> Humanity has been using ceramics for ages, and we haven't found any adverse affects yet.

Porous ceramics can easily breed bacteria, good and bad. And glazes on ceramics can contain all kinds of delightful compounds that can leach out. You certainly don’t want to eat or breathe unfired glaze.

As for ceramic nonstick cookware, I’m not convinced that such a thing exists. I think that “ceramic” coatings are actually sol-gel, and I can’t find a straight answer as to what is in them. They do advertise that they are fluoropolymer-free, and they seem to be stable to rather higher temperatures than PTFE.

Re:Cast iron leet by jasonwatkinspdx on Saturday August 13, 2022 @06:49PM (#32454556)
Yeah, the downside is whatever that stuff is, it obviously doesn't bond as hard as PTFE, because every ceramic nonstick pan I've seen degrades even faster.
Re:Cast iron leet by bch on Saturday August 13, 2022 @04:31PM (#32453504)
> Humanity has been using ceramics for ages, and we haven't found any adverse affects yet.

Ceramic glazes have been problematic [0].

[0] https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/12/08/563808879/ca...

Re:Cast iron leet by frazbin on Saturday August 13, 2022 @11:42AM (#32450903)
Just make sure it's PFAS free and not just PF(X) free for some X; 3M is hell bent on getting this shit into your system
Re:Cast iron leet by frazbin on Saturday August 13, 2022 @11:48AM (#32450972)
e.g. some of the 'copper coated' stuff that is 'PFOA' free
Re:Cast iron leet by copperx on Saturday August 13, 2022 @06:04PM (#32454226)
It's the same idiocy we have to endure with BPA-free plastics.
Re:Cast iron leet by gruez on Saturday August 13, 2022 @09:22AM (#32449626)
https://www.fda.gov/food/chemical-contaminants-food/question...

>Some PFAS are approved for use in the manufacture of non-stick cookware coatings. These coatings are made of molecules that are polymerized (i.e., joined together to form large molecules) and applied to the cookware through a heating process that tightly binds the polymer coating to the cookware. Studies show that this coating contains a negligible amount of PFAS capable of migrating to food

Re:Cast iron leet by southerntofu on Saturday August 13, 2022 @01:54PM (#32452156)
I can't access the page from tor, but i'd be interested in seeing those studies. Do they account for extreme heat applied, or for mechanical harm to the coating? These two scenarios are mostly inevitable over the lifespan of a non-stick pan, and they're typically blamed for being the cause of the actual food poisoning.
Re:Cast iron leet by eutectic on Saturday August 13, 2022 @09:08AM (#32449525)
Teflon is inert unless you really overheat it.
Re:Cast iron leet by sgt101 on Saturday August 13, 2022 @09:19AM (#32449605)
It's not the teflon that is my concern, it's what they have used to get the teflon to stick to the pan.

read this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GenX#Pollution

Re:Cast iron leet by eutectic on Saturday August 13, 2022 @06:26PM (#32454396)
Pans themselves don't contain significant levels of PFAs, but I agree about the environmental issues.
Re:Cast iron leet by brudgers on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:01AM (#32449952)
The 'f' in 'teflon' is the F from the periodic table.

Florine is remarkably not inert.

Teflon is a relatively stable Florine compound.

But as you say, it can destabilize when the pan is used within a few sigma of ideal cooking temperature.

Re:Cast iron leet by eutectic on Saturday August 13, 2022 @06:28PM (#32454405)
Reactive elements make stable compounds. e.g. sodium + chlorine -> sodium chloride.
Re:Cast iron leet by ta988 on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:42AM (#32450359)
There is no FL in periodic table. And Teflon is not as stable as believed.
Re:Cast iron leet by novok on Saturday August 13, 2022 @04:25PM (#32453456)
He said 'F', not 'FL'. It is on the periodic table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorine
Re:Cast iron leet by ta988 on Saturday August 13, 2022 @07:43PM (#32454846)
The comment got edited, you just happened to see it after.