Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by royjacobs on Saturday August 13, 2022 @04:18AM
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I think Carmack was mostly talking about regular Visual Studio as his IDE of choice, though. Not VSCode.
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Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by brtkdotse on Saturday August 13, 2022 @04:40AM
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Visual Studio is to VSCode what car is to carpet.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by rfrey on Saturday August 13, 2022 @09:31AM
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So, one is too heavy to lift and the other one flies?
(agreed though. VS has been a beacon of light inside MS even in its darkest periods.)
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by iKlsR on Saturday August 13, 2022 @02:16PM
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Not the worst comparison. VS has enough years of cruft and legacy options that it is one of the more complex software you will ever use as a dev and with the right extension, Code could fly ;)
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by pm3003 on Saturday August 13, 2022 @05:39AM
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Yeah, he meant VS. He even mentioned using an older version (6) as it is much faster on modern computers. Maybe he was referring to a friend of his, I don’t remember.
Most Windows programmers I know (not a lot) use VS for the ease of integration with all things .NET and Microsoft.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by badsectoracula on Saturday August 13, 2022 @08:13AM
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He doesn't use VS6 himself, he was most likely referring to Sean Barrett (aka "nothings") who worked on the original Thief as well as at RAD Game Tools and made the stb_ single header libraries. He has mentioned several times that he sticks with VC6 since he prefers the UX it has.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by bjconlan on Saturday August 13, 2022 @08:07AM
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Yeah when he said this it I couldn't help but think of Sean Barrett/nothings.org coding videos. I was always shocked by people using VS6 post 2003 but it provides 50-75% of what people want from an ide these days. (A big proponent is inline debugging as mentioned) but I don't recall intellisense on this version, only keyword colouring and non trivial header exploration... Makes everything look bearable these days (even if run from a browser UI)
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by badsectoracula on Saturday August 13, 2022 @08:14AM
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VS6 has intellisense but doesn't cope that well with macros.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by dleslie on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:12AM
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VS 6 is great, honestly, if you're just hacking c89 or a narrow subset of c++98. Look out, though, the compiler isn't fully standards compliant.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by imron on Saturday August 13, 2022 @06:24AM
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VS6 was such a great product.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by tpmx on Saturday August 13, 2022 @08:55AM
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I tried out VS 2019 last year on a whim. The last time I used VS before that was in the early 2000s (probably 6.0).
It was a surprisingly bad experience - weirdly slow even on a high performance PC and so much clutter by default.
Tried out VS 2022 just now. First impressions are better.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by tren on Saturday August 13, 2022 @09:38AM
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2022 was the first VS in 64 bit, the increase in responsiveness was enough to make me switch back from rider
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by tpmx on Saturday August 13, 2022 @09:45AM
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It's probably due to optimizations in high level code rather than the 32/64-bit aspect, but I'm just guessing. (To get that level of slowness you really have to fuck up at a higher level.)
VS seems to be a WPF app nowadays, so I assume the UI is written in C#.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by pjmlp on Sunday August 14, 2022 @12:14AM
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Since Visual Studio 2010.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by dmitriid on Saturday August 13, 2022 @07:49AM
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Obligatory Casey Muratori rant about modern Visual Studio, complete with Visual Studio 6 running in a VM: https://youtu.be/GC-0tCy4P1U
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by Volt on Saturday August 13, 2022 @01:44PM
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Since I just re-watched it: he ran it on a P4 from 2003.
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by jbverschoor on Saturday August 13, 2022 @04:49AM
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Visual studio has been a great IDE from the early 90s when I used it. (Also game/graphics dev)
Re:John Carmack: Best Programming Setup and IDE – Lex Fridma...
by bogwog on Saturday August 13, 2022 @10:58PM
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I’ve never had anything but a terrible experience with it when doing C++
Either the whole thing freezes and becomes unresponsive, or intellisense stops working, or (often) both.
Sublime Text + GDB + RR is my no-bullshit setup right now and I love it. A mouse interface to GDB would be nice, but I can live without it.