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Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by Veen on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:34PM (#32428239)
It's not an anti-LGBT organization. It is an organization concerned that the police have embraced trans ideologies that don't have the support of most of the UK population. It is in many ways similar to the LGB Alliance, which has a similar position with regard to the T in LGBT. Many of its supporters are gay, including a large number of lesbian feminists who support its goals.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by nibbleshifter on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:37PM (#32428288)
The LGB Alliance is funded by the Heritage Foundation, and are widely regarded in the UK as a thinly disguised hate group.

Make of that what you will.

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by gawbla on Friday August 12, 2022 @05:54PM (#32444374)
> The LGB Alliance is funded by the Heritage Foundation

No it is not. Please don't spread mistruths.

> and are widely regarded in the UK as a thinly disguised hate group

I doubt that most people in the UK have heard of this charity. Also this is a very disingenuous view of their aims.

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by implements on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:02PM (#32428690)
(Non-combative) do you have a non-partisan source? - I ask because I’ve seen that and other similar statements (“The LGB Alliance is an astroturfed organisation”) on Twitter, and wonder if they’re objectively true or exaggerations / distortions from opposing activists?
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by notahacker on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:47PM (#32429347)
It's almost impossible to find non-partisan sources on culture war debates and the definition of "astroturfed" is debatable. It is true that the LGB Alliance was formed by a small group of primarily lesbians who strongly disagreed with positions held longstanding LGBT groups that had historically campaigned for lesbian (and gay) rights. It is also true that the Heritage Foundation, more noted for sponsoring anti-gay groups, is its primary sponsor, and that the group's primary activity is campaigning against gender recognition and access to treatment for gender dysphoria. Anecdotal evidence would suggest that the group is quite popular with conservative journalists and highly unpopular with most lesbian and gay people familiar with them.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by implements on Thursday August 11, 2022 @02:18PM (#32429734)
> is also true that the Heritage Foundation […] is its primary sponsor,

I can’t find evidence of this, and the LGBA website says their primary funding comes from individual donations.

https://staging.lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/10/gary-powell-wh...

The above article makes this point:

Why would it donate to an organisation that campaigns for lesbian, gay and bisexual rights, that has an overwhelmingly left-wing membership, and that was founded by two left-wing lesbian feminists?

- given the LGBA’s position is:

“(W)e do not, and will not, forge links with, or accept funding from, any organisation… that seeks to undermine women’s reproductive rights.”

- which the Heritage Foundation oppose, I gather.

I’m inclined to believe the Heritage Foundation link is a untruth, to be honest. Given the LGBA’s charitable status I guess we’ll get definitive evidence at some point.

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by notahacker on Thursday August 11, 2022 @03:05PM (#32430281)
I will backtrack a little and concede that it's not evidenced that the LGBA itself taking the cash, but here's its founder talking about how the wider movement she represents wouldn't have even been possible in the United States without Heritage Foundation backing https://twitter.com/BevJacksonAuth/status/115396424210361548... (not her only tweet defending the need for feminists to work with the Heritage Foundation)

I think being such a niche cause that only your notional political enemies pursuing a divide and conquer strategy will work with you internationally is what most people mean when they accuse a cause of being "astroturfed"

[For the avoidance of doubt I fully agree that in other respects, they do not share the same political views and that they are not closet hardline antifeminists in disguise]

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by bobsmooth on Thursday August 11, 2022 @02:04PM (#32429566)
The LGB Alliance is a recognized charity and is chaired by a lesbian woman.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by nibbleshifter on Thursday August 11, 2022 @05:29PM (#32431957)
Charity regulation in the UK is ... Lax.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by Gordonjcp on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:55PM (#32428604)
> that don't have the support of most of the UK population

[citation needed]

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by implements on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:13PM (#32428852)
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2022/...

It’s a tricky read, but a gist might be that most Brits are generally well-meaning, fairly uninformed, and tend to be conservative when asked questions about specific scenarios:

“Recognition: most Britons say that people should be able to change their social gender, but are split on whether they should be able to change their legal gender”

“Process: Britons oppose making it easier to legally change gender“

“Access to sport: Britons oppose transgender athletes taking part in sporting events for their new gender”

“Access to treatment: Britons are split on the NHS providing hormone therapy for trans people, and tend to oppose it providing gender reassignment surgery”

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by Gordonjcp on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:23PM (#32429004)
Ah, but that's a Yougov poll, so carefully selected from Daily Heil readers.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by elsonrodriguez on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:46PM (#32428432)
You're right, they're not exclusively anti-LGBT. Looking at their cases page, they are also "Anti Woke".

https://www.badlawproject.com/cases

They highlight a case with Amy Gallahger, who is an adamant "anti-CRT" activist per her Twitter.

So it seems they were focused on other things, but have pivoted to anti-trans activism(hence the amount of Pride imagery on their front page).

Tactically it makes sense. They are following the lead of other such organizations by focusing on anti-trans rhetoric, as it is currently more palatable, before pivoting back to marginalizing other minorities.

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by nisegami on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:43PM (#32428399)
You've just described an anti-LGBT organization while claiming it is not
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by pessimizer on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:48PM (#32428481)
You've implied that a bunch of gay people are anti-gay because of the gay organization they belong to that advocates for gays.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by Gordonjcp on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:28PM (#32429078)
They're not "anti-gay", they're anti-the-wrong-sort-of-gay. You're only gay if you're the kind of gay they approve of.
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Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by Gordonjcp on Friday August 12, 2022 @09:01AM (#32437887)
Yeah, you don't need to explain it to me, and especially not incorrectly.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by LawTalkingGuy on Friday August 12, 2022 @02:24PM (#32442199)
If I was wrong you'd have corrected me.

People have a legal and moral right to self-associate with those they choose and to exclude those sabotaging their political movements.

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by Gordonjcp on Saturday August 13, 2022 @02:17PM (#32452334)
You appear to be an apologist for an insanely homophobic organisation, so I don't know how much help you'd get from anyone correcting you.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by LawTalkingGuy on Saturday August 13, 2022 @03:47PM (#32453120)
Presumably the world would get the benefit. If anything I say is incorrect please point it out.

You appear to be saying a HOMOsexual focused organization is being HOMOphobic by wanting to focus only on HOMOsexuals.

But no, I'm not apologizing. I can't see anything wrong with any subgroup wanting to focus their attention more-directly on themselves. Do Indigenous people not have the right to their own organizations since the popularization of the BIPoC acronym?

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by nisegami on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:51PM (#32428549)
I claim that they're anti-LGBT, not anti-gay
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by bobsmooth on Thursday August 11, 2022 @02:06PM (#32429588)
They are pro-LGB. If you think that means they're anti-LGBT that's on you.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by Levitz on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:50PM (#32428526)
You can't reasonably equate anti-LGBT with consdering that the T doesn't belong with the LGB.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by nisegami on Thursday August 11, 2022 @12:53PM (#32428568)
I do genuinely believe that "consdering that the T doesn't belong with the LGB" makes you "anti-LGBT".
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by kelnos on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:52PM (#32429409)
How do you figure? It doesn't require you to be anti-lesbian, anti-gay, anti-bisexual, or anti-trans, in order to question why we lump together people who are homosexual/bisexual (which describes the types of people someone wants to get into a romantic or sexual relationship with), with people who are trans (people whose assigned-at-birth gender is not who they are).

The answer is, of course, that "we" don't lump them together; the group as a whole has decided to band together because the persecution and opression they suffer is in many ways shared, and often the kind of person who would persecute one of the groups would persecute all of them. But it's not "anti-trans" or "anti-LGBT" to ask this question.

(Consider "Asian-American", which is more a political/activist construct than anything else, given that "Asian" describes a bunch of different groups, some of which may not have all that much in common culturally or even politically.)

The organization in question may also be anti-trans (or anti-LGBT as a whole), but that's... a separate issue?

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by jaywalk on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:08PM (#32428773)
But they're not against LGB, just T. So they're anti-T. When every letter in the acronym is literally representing a different group, lumping them together the way you are is dishonest.
Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by notahacker on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:54PM (#32429432)
LGBT people bundled themselves together, decades ago.

This particular group was formed to combat the notion of LGBT identity. So it isn't unreasonable to class it as anti-LGBT, in addition to also holding more specifically anti-T positions.

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by mock-possum on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:38PM (#32429227)
that's exactly the kind of divide-and-conquer approach that queer solidarity is a bulwark against though - whether you're gay, straight, bisexual, or trans, we all face a very particular kind of oppression having to do with sex and gender, and our best bet for countering that oppression is to have eachother's backs: if you're coming after trans people you're going to have to get through the rest of us first.

That's not dishonest, that's a strategic show of strength.

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by jaywalk on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:52PM (#32429413)
I'm not saying there's anything dishonest about LGBT people all banding together to show strength. I'm saying that it's dishonest to say that an LGB person who doesn't want to be lumped in with the T people is "anti-LGBT."

I'm not LGBT, but I do personally know LGB people who don't like the Ts being lumped in with them. They aren't anti-trans by any means, but they see it as a different thing that tends to distract from the LGB and causes more strife. I also know LGB people who share your philosophy and are perfectly happy to have the Ts onboard.

I'm just explaining my POV as an outsider.

Re:Irishman arrested in UK for 'causing anxiety' by retweeti... by nisegami on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:41PM (#32429271)
In a literal sense, you're right. But the ideas and values that underpins the LGBT movement and many of the people who identify with it are not compatible with accepting just part of that group.