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Re:Dark Matter Doesn't Exist by sega_sai on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:49PM (#32416734)
I don't believe in fundamentally correct theories. All theories have limitations. They work until they do not. Is general relativity fundamentally correct ? I wouldn't call it that (others may disagree), because it doesn't explain quantum effects or very early universe. So to me theories are just tools that explain what we see and predict the future.
Re:Dark Matter Doesn't Exist by horsawlarway on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @05:17PM (#32418595)
I'm with you - "All models are wrong, but some models are useful".

I do think dark matter is tantalizing because it hints strongly that our model needs a fundamental change in understanding at some other level. It just feels like too much wall paper to be adding to the model in an attempt to cover the holes.

Doesn't mean I find any of the current alternatives more viable then our current models.

Re:Dark Matter Doesn't Exist by replygirl on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:57PM (#32416832)
exactly, so when we attempt to put general relativity into practice at the limit of its predictive capability, we may see something is very wrong, then extrapolate a better model, and a few decades later everyone will look back on general relativity as an example of science's ability to carry us away from grossly false beliefs. as with epicycles. and maybe dark matter.
Re:Dark Matter Doesn't Exist by Koshkin on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @08:43PM (#32420262)
Theories, sure, but knowledge is not confined to theories, i.e. isn’t there positive knowledge, a.k.a. “facts”?
Re:Dark Matter Doesn't Exist by sega_sai on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:05PM (#32420401)
Yes there are facts. I.e. there is a particle called electron, there is a Sun, Cosmic Microwave background, Milky Way galaxy. I'd say those are facts. But I do think the boundary what's a 'fact' vs model/theory dependent statement can be different among different people.
Re:Dark Matter Doesn't Exist by myrryr on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:43PM (#32420649)
There are theories with super high levels of supporting evidence, so we treat them as true.

This isn't to say that is a bad thing, it is a great thing.

Re:Dark Matter Doesn't Exist by kubanczyk on Thursday August 11, 2022 @03:44AM (#32422692)
I treat them as true because they are true. I guess there is more than one definition of truth.

But I think what you mean that you treat some theories as axioms (temporarily, I hope). It's a great aid in thinking but a great source of confusion for newbies as well.

Re:Dark Matter Doesn't Exist by sethrin on Thursday August 11, 2022 @06:02PM (#32432321)
There are absolutely multiple definitions of truth. "1 + 1 = 2" is not true in the sense that "Paris is the capital of France" or "Water boils at 100C" are true.
Re:Dark Matter Doesn't Exist by tsimionescu on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:12AM (#32421820)
Outside of mathematics, not really. Special relativity and QM proved that 300 year old "facts" were actually subtly wrong, for example.