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Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:59PM (#32416028)
All those monuments that happened to find themselves in ISIS and Taliban areas of control say hi.
Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by Hellion on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:02PM (#32416079)
That doesn’t excuse the actions and behaviors of the invaders who stole these artifacts dozens or hundreds of years before isis was even a thing.

Btw things like isis are a direct consequence of actions taken by the English colonialists when they created artificial boundaries.

Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday August 11, 2022 @09:06AM (#32425021)
I believe that ancient artifacts belong to all humanity, so whoever is equipped best keep them safe to preserve them for us and posterity should have it.

On the same topic, I don't think that people of modern Turkey or Greece have more valid claim on the remains of Troy or Mycenae just because the people who have left these remains have one occupied the plot of land that now lies within their borders.

Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by rayiner on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @06:11PM (#32419069)
> Btw things like isis are a direct consequence of actions taken by the English colonialists when they created artificial boundaries

The Turks were the ones that conquered all those completely unrelated people in the first place. The British inherited their problem after World War I. But go on, I love this game of “brown people can’t have moral agency.”

Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by Hellion on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @07:01PM (#32419527)
Yes, the Turks also put their hands in the boiling pot, but only the British were arrogant enough to try to turn these regions into countries with neat, straight borders and also with western style governments. Which destroyed local alliances and created a massive power vacuum when the empire fell. Then, the us and Russia had a go of it, which certainly didn’t calm the situation.

But go on.

Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by _dain_ on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @07:34PM (#32419803)
great, now do versailles.

or brest-litovsk.

a bad peace treaty is not an excuse for barbarism.

Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by DayDollar on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:17PM (#32416292)
Which is why china, vietnam, and korea never recovered. That good old colonialist narrative has its place, but given enough time and counter examples, it just lacks the explenation power it once had. Which is a dangerous gap the left left open, for the racist idiots to settle in.

Regarding the region.

The societal rot had already set in way before that. The whole ottoman empire was on a down trend, ever since the trade went around them. Which is a good indicator how low value was whatever they themselves had to produce and to offer.

To life in the shadow and ruins of the glorious past, it burns all men for what are they but lowcast creatures, fallen from up high..

Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by sangnoir on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:18PM (#32417093)
> Which is why china, vietnam, and korea never recovered.

What does economic performance have to do with the British museums being filled with looted cultural artifacts? You could have thrown in Greece in there (EU member), but Greece also wants it's looted artifacts back.

Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by charlieyu1 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:14PM (#32417782)
What has it to do with economics?

China's case was very different as well, the majority of the population (Han Chinese) were ruled by a foreign race (Qing) that were racist towards them in 1800s. Many Han Chinese fought alongside foreign powers and they did loot a lot.

And it doesn't matter anyway, CCP rise to power and smashed everything in the name of Cultural Revolution.

Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by sangnoir on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:41PM (#32418127)
I meant that the economic discussion is off topic concerning the subject in the article as well as the thread on looted cultural artifacts.
Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by pessimizer on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @05:18PM (#32418601)
https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/why-did-people-start-e...

"By the 19th century, people were no longer consuming mummies to cure illness but Victorians were hosting "unwrapping parties" where Egyptian corpses would be unwrapped for entertainment at private parties."

Re:Archaeologists rebury ‘first-of-its-kind’ Roman villa by JoeAltmaier on Thursday August 11, 2022 @07:51AM (#32424301)
That was callous, to be sure. But remember, mummies were being ground into fertilizer at an industrial scale. Or so I remember. Egyptians were often little more respectful of their history than outsiders.