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Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by p1esk on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:04AM (#32411218)
Should 100 farmers in Kansas have the same political weight as 10000 people in NYC? If yes, then maybe we should use some form of meritocracy where what people do or who they are matters when it comes to their voting power. Would you like that?
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by dahfizz on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:45AM (#32412865)
You're greatly exaggerating, the difference between New York and Kansas elector-per-capita is less than a factor of two.

But to answer your question, yes. The people of Kansas, on a federal level, should have meaningful power. Federal laws affect all states, so each state should have a seat at the table.

Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by p1esk on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:04AM (#32413208)
What is "meaningful" power? Why should 3 million people (Kansas) have the same influence on federal laws as 40 million people (California)? How is this fair?
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by dahfizz on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:22AM (#32413480)
They don't have nearly the same power on a federal level. But the people of Kansas do have some power, thanks to the Senate. New York has much more power in the House than Kansas.

Let me turn the questions around: how would it be fair for Kansas to have no power federally at all?

New York can pass laws about what happens in New York. But if New York wants to pass laws about what happens in Kansas, the people of Kansas deserve a voice.

States are independent political entities representing very different groups of people. The EU does the exact same thing as the US federal government. If you don't give smaller states some amount of power and respect, there is not reason for them to participate on your federation.

Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by skinnymuch on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:10PM (#32414357)
That is so over the top as is this whole senator stuff to say Kansas would have no power. As sibling says, it would be proportional at worse.

You know who actually has close to no power? Many, many other types of minorities across America. Yet these minorities are not cared about with retorts by you or the other person. It’s only about those farmers in Kansas

Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by p1esk on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:29AM (#32413614)
If we believe all people are equal, 40 people should have proportionally more power than 3 people. Roughly 13x more power. That's all I'm asking for.
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by pauldenton on Thursday August 18, 2022 @03:51PM (#32514098)
Like they currently do. California has 52 seats. Kansas has 4.
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by divided on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:07PM (#32414321)
Saying Kansas having proportional power is “no power” is highly disingenuous. When you rephrase your question to something that isn’t clearly loaded with bias:

How would it be fair for Kansas to have power proportional to its population federally?

Well. That sounds like a very silly question, doesn’t it?

Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by pauldenton on Thursday August 18, 2022 @03:50PM (#32514082)
They do not, in the House. Kansas has four representatives in the United States House of Representatives. California has 52 seats in the House of representatives. The house of representatives, representing the people, has vastly difference influence between the 4 seats of 3 million Kansa, and the 52 seats of 40 million people California. The state house, the senate, where each state gets 2 representatives has equal power between them
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by danaris on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:02AM (#32413172)
I think part of the problem with this is the common characterization of rural people that we are "farmers".

I live in rural NYS. I know farmers, to be sure (there's a community-supported agriculture farm just about 5 minutes' drive away). But despite the fact that a lot of the land around here is farmland, the vast, vast majority of people here are not farmers. They are teachers, shop owners/workers, factory workers, computer programmers, doctors, lawyers....basically everything you get in most places in the country. The only types of people we don't have are the types you only get in the very biggest cities, like hedge fund managers, and the types that only make sense in certain areas, like sailors.

The question isn't and shouldn't be about "should farmers have as much political weight as not-farmers;" it's "should people who live in a mostly-rural state have as much political weight as people who live in a state with big cities"?

Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by snickerbockers on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:17AM (#32411409)
no, but if i did i would argue that food production is more meritorious than investment banking.
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by shlurpy on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:26AM (#32411526)
There are probably more people involved in providing food for people among the 10000 NYC people then the 100 Kansas farmers.
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by p1esk on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:33AM (#32411629)
Do you believe that deciding what to do with money is less important than making food?
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by snickerbockers on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:25AM (#32412514)
...yes?
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by p1esk on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:46AM (#32412877)
So deciding whether to invest a couple billion dollars into a farm is not as important as running the farm? Are you sure?
Re:Most Americans support using the popular vote to decide U... by snickerbockers on Thursday August 11, 2022 @09:38AM (#32425350)
yes