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Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by inversefft on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:27AM (#32386639)
I have no issue with the term autopilot. Boeing sells planes with autopilot, no one expects them to be fully autonomous.

The FSD name makes more sense for the software they've got in public beta than their current offering. Interestingly the only difference between "enhanced autopilot" and FSD right now is the ability to stop at stop lights.

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by aNoob7000 on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:33AM (#32386727)
I think you are being dismissive of the claim because who would think that "autopilot" doesn't mean everything is done for you.

Comparing a pilot to a regular car driver is just completely off point. You are basically throwing out all the training pilots have to do just to make your point.

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by tremon on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:31AM (#32386698)
Boeing doesn't sell to consumers, their customers are large companies. There's quite a difference in the level of knowledge/competence to be expected between those two markets. So "this is fine in B2B" does not automatically translate into "this is fine when targeting John Q Public".
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by NegativeLatency on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:43AM (#32386926)
Speaking of aviation this is a great pilot training on automation dependence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ESJH1NLMLs

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by inversefft on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:33AM (#32386740)
Last I checked drivers are still required to be licensed and understand the functionality of their cars.
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by aNoob7000 on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:53AM (#32387084)
LOL - They don't have to be licensed specifically on a Tesla. They can show up in a Toyota Tercel from 1999 and take their test.
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by pessimizer on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:53AM (#32387080)
They've incorporated the best practices for managing the limitations of Tesla's autopilot into driving tests now? Glad to hear it.
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by v0idzer0 on Monday August 08, 2022 @08:21PM (#32392728)
No but they actually should. And every company either already has or is near an equivalent, so it makes sense to train drivers on what will soon be ubiquitous car software. Remember the goal here is to make driving safer. And there’s no evidence Teslas System isn’t doing that. People crash and die without autopilot every single day.
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by umeshunni on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:45AM (#32386951)
Yes, but they're not being trained on a specific car model like pilots are.
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by NegativeLatency on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:39AM (#32386846)
By taking a driving test one time in their life?

Also if you fly like a maniac you’ll get your license taken away, which is very much not the case for driving.

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by belorn on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:44AM (#32386931)
Word has context and get interpreted by the person reading or hearing it. Advertisement is only misleading if people get mislead, which is subjective and involve judgement calls both on the reader but also by the legal system that think that people get mislead.

Pilot use technical terms that they learn in both training but also in the culture around pilots. Words used by pilots in that context can have a different meaning than the literal interpretation of those word outside that context by non-pilots. The jargon is different, and thus advertisement towards pilots using that jargon will be interpreted in that context. The word "autopilot" directed towards pilots will be interpreted in that context, meaning they will expect the technology to work as training and culture has made them to expect.

Driver training is very different from pilot training, and the jargon and lingo is different from pilots. An car with autopilot that is limited to work with the restrictions of a airplane autopilot, ie only work at airport or while high in the air, would likely not be what the driver expected. The same word but different context.

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by hn_user2 on Monday August 08, 2022 @12:10PM (#32387341)
I don't have a problem with any of the terms personally, because I feel I have a good understanding of what it is actually capable of.

What I think is more important is understanding what the general population of buyers of these cars think it means. Whether they are wrong or right, what they think it means effects how they drive with autopilot on, and whether they are looking ahead or on their phone.

The only real way to know this would be to measure it, and I doubt that is knowledge that Tesla wants to know.

As a side note, the Boeing pilot will spend a great deal of time looking at charts or their company laptop once they are at cruise with their auto-pilot on.

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by jsight on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:32AM (#32386711)
I agree. Nissan doesn't seem to get much flak for "ProPilot" either.

FSD shouldn't be allowed. EAP is a decent name for what it actually does.