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Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by throwoutway on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:02PM (#32378856)
> it's not wrong to escape from prison.

Uh, yes it is. Maybe if you’re imprisoned illegally (kidnapping or by kangaroo court) but in the general case—in a democracy with actual courts, it’s wrong.

You think the cartel bosses that escaped from Mexico’s prisons were not morally and ethically wrong on multiple levels? Just because there’s also some corruption in the gov? Or because the prisons aren’t great. That’s unreasonable

Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by snovv_crash on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:14PM (#32378969)
I think the argument here is that being in prison is a bad experience and wanting to escape is normal, natural human behaviour. As such, the onus is not on the prisoner to stay inside, but on the guards to keep them there. Escaping is, as such, not a crime in itself.
Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by SiempreViernes on Sunday August 07, 2022 @04:21PM (#32379522)
Evading a punishment is pretty universally seen as a crime, not sure why you'd think otherwise.
Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by fudgefactorfive on Sunday August 07, 2022 @06:14PM (#32380450)
I can think of at least one nation that disagrees: Germany.

To quote Wikipedia "In some other places like Germany and a number of other countries, it is considered human nature to want to escape from a prison and it is considered as a violation of the right of freedom, so escape is not penalized in itself (in the absence of other factors such as threats of violence, actual violence, or property damage)."

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_escape

Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by iforgotpassword on Sunday August 07, 2022 @04:28PM (#32379587)
Because it's a natural instinct to seek freedom. It's in human nature. Like, expecting a prisoner to keep sitting in their cell when suddenly all doors spring open is ridiculous.
Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by throwoutway on Sunday August 07, 2022 @05:13PM (#32379969)
Sure it’s a natural instinct, but society as a whole views it as ethically, morally, and legally “wrong”. We don’t allow individual’s selfish motives to rule society in other areas.

Either way, the person I was responding to did not say it was a natural desire, they only said it was “not wrong”.

Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by iforgotpassword on Sunday August 07, 2022 @06:32PM (#32380593)
I guess there are different levels on which you can look at this. If a rapist escapes from prison I certainly don't celebrate that. I want him to get captured again as quickly as possible. But I do not think it should add anything to his sentence, at least not for the attempt itself. If he hurt anyone, broke/stole something on his way out that's a different issue.
Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by mrtksn on Sunday August 07, 2022 @05:41PM (#32380189)
Not in Germany, apparently.
Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by prvit on Sunday August 07, 2022 @06:17PM (#32380475)
Not in most countries.
Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by jokowueu on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:11PM (#32378943)
There are major issues with Japan's justice system though . I mean just reading the link on this thread made me sad

Michael Taylor. Mr. Taylor pleaded guilty to aiding Mr. Ghosn’s escape and started a two-year sentence at Tokyo’s Fuchu Prison in the summer of 2021; he spends much of his day in solitary confinement.

Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by exhilaration on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:19PM (#32379005)
Just in case the folks reading this comment don't see what's so bad about solitary confinement: Prolonged solitary confinement amounts to psychological torture, says UN expert https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/02/united-state...
Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by mrtksn on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:07PM (#32378910)
I think the burden for imprisonment and compelling people to stay in prison is on the punishers.

That should not be confused with the crimes being wrong, I'm talking about ones desire not to be imprisoned being a natural desire and acting on it not being wrong by itself.

Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by collegeburner on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:05PM (#32378883)
meh it's the shit that got them in there that was wrong. it may give us the justification to hold them prisoner but they still aren't morally required to not escape. like it's up to the judge what sentence they get so how could that even be a moral obligation?
Re:Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan by kwere on Monday August 08, 2022 @10:26AM (#32385786)
japanese democracy has a lot of "clauses"