Re:Tutors / tips to change your English accent
by kibwen on Sunday August 07, 2022 @11:59AM
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Calling it now, in ten years "y'all" will be a standard fixture of every American English dialect and nobody born after 2020 will bat an eye at it. It's just a great word, distinct in semantic utility and satisfying to enunciate. Even as a Pittsburgher with a license to "yinz" I still say "y'all".
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Re:Tutors / tips to change your English accent
by davidgh on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:10PM
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Agree.
“Ya’ll” is linguistically necessary in English since the word “ye” was deprecated.
A common alternative to remove ambiguity between singular and plural “you” in some parts of the US is “you guys”.
Re:Tutors / tips to change your English accent
by rendall on Monday August 08, 2022 @07:04AM
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English has "thou", which was the singular second person pronoun, and "you" which was the plural second person pronoun, but also used as a more formal, polite singular second person pronoun. Through a kind of formality inflation, everyone started using "you" all the time and abandoned "thou". Contemporary standard English doesn't have a plural second person pronoun, but needs one, and so "y'all" (or "ya'll") is being used now in some regions.
Re:Tutors / tips to change your English accent
by gnubison on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @02:24AM
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“Ye” is just the nominative case (like “I” vs. “me” being accusative), it has nothing to do with number. Thou/thee is the one with number.
Re:Tutors / tips to change your English accent
by davidgh on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @09:04PM
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You have it exactly backwards. Thou is singular and informal, ye is plural and / or singular formal.
Ye is a second-person, plural, personal pronoun (nominative), spelled in Old English as "ge". [0]
The word thou is a second-person singular pronoun in English. It is now largely archaic, having been replaced in most contexts by the word you. [1]
Re:Tutors / tips to change your English accent
by gnubison on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:14AM
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Not sure how my comment is “exactly backwards” — it’s logically consistent with your (new) comment. My point was that, relative to you, ye makes a case distinction (nominative), and that relative to you, thou makes a number distinction (glossing over formal/informal).
We deprecated ye and thou, but it’s the latter that “requires” y’all, because only thou (relative to us still having you) distinguishes the number of people.
Edit: put another way, “thou/thee is the one with number” meant that reintroducing them would create a number distinction.