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Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by ak39 on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:35AM (#32374654)
Serious question: why is the US trying to (or is already preventing) China from acquiring EUV chip tech? What’s the reason for such an aggressive intervention in a free market?
Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by Sakos on Sunday August 07, 2022 @04:52AM (#32374972)
> free market

There's no such thing as a free market in our world. It's just a myth. Everything is regulated or under the purview of treaties or laws.

Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by kube-system on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:54AM (#32374734)
The best military technology needs the best silicon. The US has long placed export controls on technology with military applications.
Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday August 07, 2022 @08:19AM (#32375894)
Military electronics aren't cutting edge. Modern processes are a liability for ruggedness and temperature extremes.
Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by kube-system on Sunday August 07, 2022 @08:23AM (#32375919)
Not all military electronics are deployed on the battlefield.
Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by vladvasiliu on Sunday August 07, 2022 @04:22AM (#32374853)
So then how come they're right next to China, "an unstable hostile power", and not in the middle of mainland US?
Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by Teever on Sunday August 07, 2022 @04:44AM (#32374929)
Globalism.

The oligarchs in the west decided to outsource key industries to developing countries to increase their profit margins.

Now they're scrambling to fix those mistakes.

Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by analognoise on Sunday August 07, 2022 @10:22AM (#32376695)
Which is why forced birth is making a comeback - the only way to ensure local production now is to ensure you have a permanent underclass you can squeeze for your profits.

As globalism unwinds, there will be an open desire to roll back child labor and environmental laws as well as birth choice.

We'll get factories back in the USA - and wish we hadn't.

Or we'll see a massive expansion in prison labor, even worse than we have now.

Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by kube-system on Sunday August 07, 2022 @12:27PM (#32377673)
That makes no sense. If the right was trying to build an underclass of workers, then the easiest way to do it would be to not build a wall at the southern border.

The simple explanation here is the correct one: they oppose abortion on social grounds.

Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by mycall on Sunday August 07, 2022 @11:41AM (#32377314)
> Which is why forced birth is making a comeback - the only way to ensure local production now is to ensure you have a permanent underclass you can squeeze for your profits.

Correlation not causation.

Re:Intel expands Oregon Fab building; 18A Node now 2024 by to11mtm on Sunday August 07, 2022 @11:45AM (#32377334)
I'm a little surprised in ASML's pivot here TBH.

Just earlier this year they were complaining that Chinese companies were ripping off their IP [0] and IIRC even within the last 2-3 years they were themselves hesitant to send bleeding edge tech over for similar reasons. I wonder what has caused their tune to change.

That said, if I'm reading the tea leaves properly...

I think the last couple years were a wake-up call to the US that not only are they overly dependent on other countries for critical components, but that China is far closer to becoming 'self sufficient' than us (1).

Ukraine was a bit of a wake-up call to us, that we are too afraid of nuclear escalation (2) but also to China that embargoes can happen more quickly than you'd expect and hurt almost as fast.

What this means however, is we are now both in a race for self sufficiency on this front.

... Really random question, I wonder why Mexico doesn't have more fabs?

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1 - I think the US has a weird definition of 'self sufficiency' mind you. For instance in some cases it seems the attitude is 'Oh we did that again and can ramp up.' As a general comparison, I'm betting the possibility of getting a '100% China content' vehicle is far higher than getting a '100% USA content' vehicle.

2 - Without getting into it, there was a short window early on in the Ukraine conflict where I would have doubted Putin's willingness to go nuclear. IMO It's one of those cases where the would police card may have been worth playing, were it not for our missteps in using it over the last 20 years.

[0] - https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/11/asml_chinese_rival_ip...