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Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013) by AlbertCory on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:25PM (#32372157)
OK. Fine with me. "Your music sucks" is a totally dead end and I'm not going there.

What I will say is, arts do not advance linearly, more or less, like science does. You can't say that drama has "advanced" since Shakespeare -- it's just changed. So "what's popular?" is not a shorthand for "what's good?"

Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013) by crazygringo on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:07PM (#32372413)
I think you're reading too much into the word "advanced".

One sense of "advance" does mean to improve, but another commonly used sense is simply to "move forwards". History advances, literature advances, music genres and technique advance, time advances. None of those imply improvement or a value judgment, just moving-forwards and building-upon (or building-in-reaction-to).

You can absolutely say drama has advanced since Shakespeare, and few people would misunderstand. To say it hadn't would mean nobody had continued to write plays in the same tradition of western literature.

(See [1] and contrast definitions 2 and 3.)

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advance

Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013) by AlbertCory on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:43PM (#32372600)
ok, sure, there are two senses of the word. Certainly artists react to each other and take advantage of new technology. They also make things more readily accessible to their contemporaries.

> To say it hadn't would mean nobody had continued to write plays in the same tradition of western literature.

To say it hadn't, in my sense, would mean nobody has written any "better" music than Beethoven's 9th. Nobody has.

To say it hadn't, in your sense, would mean the form of the symphony hadn't continued to evolve, and of course you're right that it has.

Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013) by tbossanova on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:44PM (#32372611)
Time advances
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013) by tyrantalope on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:33PM (#32372555)
Why couldn't someone say that music has advanced since x period of time? Similarly, if you ignore the popularity of music for the sake of argument, how is possible to determine if specific music is "good"? Or how would someone determine if music is advancing in the first place?
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013) by guelo on Saturday August 06, 2022 @11:50PM (#32373750)
Jawdropping music is produced by kids using laptops making sounds that were simply not possible a decade or two ago. If you don't enjoy the breakthroughs that are being made you are the one that's missing out.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013) by bsaul on Sunday August 07, 2022 @05:04AM (#32375026)
any recommendations ?

All i've heard is mostly the same types of "sound" copied over and over again. Nothing jaw dropping so far (but there is definitely something that has to come out of this technological revolution one day...)

Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013) by AlbertCory on Sunday August 07, 2022 @10:41AM (#32376837)
I enjoy novelty as much as the next person. Dogs on skateboards? Hey, bring it.

Doesn't mean anyone will be watching that dog video in 50 years.